DwayneEMTP Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 ...4.. As gays are allowed to be out of the closet a little more, some will do things to purposefully push your buttons in public... I have no issue with that. My only issue is when you cry like a little girl when I push back. You've asked for it, as you do here. You do things that are purposely offensive, 'push buttons' and then act shocked when you get the results you were truly looking for. ... That's the price you pay for trying to oppress someone else... I've not tried to oppress anyone. I've been very vocal about allowing everyone to be themselves. It is you, in your tiny little mind that is unable to see more than two kinds of people, gays/oppressors, that labels me as 'bad.' You're full of shit. But by hating and blaming me, weak spirits like you able to deny your accountability. It's a fantasy brother, it's hurting you and making you unable to do good things. ...My parade does nothing to harm you or your marriage, but we know what the real problem is when straights get offended ............ it is because you have to confront your own homosexuality that is inside you, and you don't like to have those thoughts. A perfect example of your shallow and childish logic. The same argument hosemonkeys use when I make it clear that I don't see them as heroes. "Ahhhh...you're bitter because you applied and were rejected, weren't you?" What a pussy argument. If I catch someone fucking a sheep in front of my house I'm going to burn his ass down. Do you truly believe it's because I'm simply jealous because I wish that I had the balls to fuck a sheep and not because I want to teach him not to be sexually inappropriate in front of my family? Wait...so I see then, when you are offended by me or the other straight males here it's really because you want to get a little pussy but aren't brave enough to do so? So that pussy envy that is actually making you frustrated? Great, I'll try and remember that...it certainly could explain some of your arguments. ...Flip it around and open a restaurant called "Dicks" where you only have men waiters who are dressed only in a bow-tie and a thong (and you have to make sure that all the waiters are well-endowed),... Ever heard of Chipendales? Bow ties, big dicks, I've taken Babs a few times...and guess what? I didn't melt into a smelly homophobic pile of goo by being around a bunch of hot naked men with hardons. ...and see how many backward municipalities will approve that license ? Maybe in San Francisco, Atlanta, Miami, or New York, but that's about it... I've lived in big towns, small towns, redneck towns, conservative and liberal towns...they've all had gay bars in them that were left to their own business. I've even gotten really, really drunk in some of them. So stop with the "If WE ever tried to be happy someone would stop it!" Bullshit. You don't want to be left alone, you want to be publicly supported. I'm not going to actively march in CMs S&M parade, as it's not my thing. I will certainly stand in defense of her, as I would for you. But I also won't shed any tears when/if she purposely flaunts behavior that is contrary to common societal acceptable standards and then has to endure the opinions of those that she's purposely offended. Though of course, that's not her way. ...Many BDSM events are held in semi-public places; hotels, convention centers, etc. Participants are always advised to "not frighten the horses" in other words, to keep extreme dress and displays to socially acceptable levels in the halls and corridors, and to engage in their more creative efforts in the private spaces. I don't really see the issue with this. I have what I consider to be a very fulfilling and creative sex life, but I have no need to fight for the right to fuck in the middle of the mall to prove that the world isn't prudish. Can you not express yourself fully in either private, or with a group of like minded individuals? Is it truly necessary to get the entire world to bless your public display before you're validated and fulfilled? ...And why is this? Because if other guests are offended, they will complain. And if they complain, there will be repercussions. People maintain their anonymity in this lifestyle because it costs them a lot to be "outed" - Jobs, family, custody of children, etc. etc. etc. Many in BDSM claim a sensitivity to the sensibilities of others, buts the bottom line is... people will suffer a lot of grief because they have sexual practices that are not approved by society as a whole... Many of my sexual habits/desires may not be approved of by society as a whole. But it matters not at all as I don't force society to judge my private business. Those with sexual habits that they consider outside of the norm are famous for saying, "Just stay out of my bedroom!" But then tend to publicly push their kinks into the faces of those that they know won't approve. When that approval isn't necessary then I have to believe that the public display is meant for offense only. ...Due to tremendous effort and sacrifice on the part of a lot of people, it is now ILLEGAL to fire people for their sexual orientation. Gay people still face a lot of discrimination in many areas... And much of that is because of the misunderstanding that non gays have when the only information that they are exposed to are the attitudes and behaviors of those like Flaming and others that make the news reels from the gay pride parades. Gays are not being discriminated against by those in most of America because they have a same sex lover, but because they insist in getting in peoples faces in the most offensive ways that they can think of while claiming, "If you want to prove that you're not a bigot or hater then tell me that there is nothing that I can possibly do that you'll speak out against!" Yet there are many things that I will speak out against in public that I have no desire to mitigate in private. ...Gay Pride day is one day to take these activities and make them public.. to be open and proud of the things that fulfill and exhilarate you. It can be a giddy feeling, and yes.. even reckless. There are those that purposefully "scare the horses". That can be an act of aggression and anger. It's throwing all those labels into the face of society and saying YEAH - I AM A SICK AND DISGUSTING PERVERT - what are you gonna do about it?.. I get that...but again, don't cry when people act in exactly the manner that you expected them to. Because you can absolutely trust than when certain lines are crossed that I will stand up and do something about it. I will do that in your defense and I will do it in my own defense as well. An excellent example :-) Extremely adult link!! http://www.spankwire.com/articles/116669/Old-Man-Kicks-Street-Flasher.html ...Certain displays offend you? Why? Primal disgust at men sucking each others dicks? Why? Pissing on each other? Why?... As a sexual practice, no. As a sexual attack to try and instigate a response? Yeah. I happen to think that farting is natural, normal, and healthy. But if the guy at the next booth next to my family begins to fart simply to prove that he has the right to do so I am going to snatch his stupid ass up and drag him away from my family. I know that you all fart, and I'm happy for you. Choose to be purposely offensive in front of my family using any of your normally private bodily functions/habits and you will certainly get what you were looking for...along with another reason to crow about being unfairly repressed. We can continue to pretend that there are no ways of using normally loving things to be offensive and continue this discussion in some kind of fantasy land, but, well, I'm not gonna. If I see two men/women cuddling, kissing, and/or being romantic in the next booth, I have no issues. Few things in this world make me as happy as seeing two people truly nurturing each other. Start slurping and grunting and making animal sounds so that I have to move my family and I'll make you sorry. Because I think that doing those things is 'wrong?' No, because it's inappropriate in front of my family in that environment, you know it, so there is really only one reason that you are doing it. To generate a response...and, well, you know I'm a giver...I like to see everyone fulfilled. I've not seen anywhere in this thread where anyone has claimed that any of these things should be censored or mitigated in any way in private. Where did that happen? Dwayne 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaisu Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 I am going to snatch his stupid ass up and drag him away . oooo... I love it when you get all manly.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DFIB Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 My point would be that hooters is as close to a strip club as you can be, but it is quite legal and has no opposition, because it is normal to see half naked women. Flip it around and open a restaurant called "Dicks" where you only have men waiters who are dressed only in a bow-tie and a thong (and you have to make sure that all the waiters are well-endowed), and see how many backward municipalities will approve that license ? Maybe in San Francisco, Atlanta, Miami, or New York, but that's about it. Apples to oranges. You cannot compare people in t- shirts and shorts to people in bow ties. It is a totally different standard. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPINFV Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 ... and this offends you Mobey? Why? The yellow ropey thingy on the wings clashes with the rest of the outfit... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tniuqs Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 (edited) The yellow ropey thingy on the wings clashes with the rest of the outfit... Exactly my point ! sheesh I am forced to report to fashion police I mean really ! Edited December 10, 2011 by tniuqs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPINFV Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 So I have noticed one thing from the men in this forum all of the comment concerning the term GAY is towards gay men. Them kissing in public repulses me ect. them dressing as fairly repulses me. Now dont get me wrong I'm kinda on the side I dont want to see fat hairy assed men in fairy suits I want to see the "I will tap that" in fairy suits. Now my point NOT one guy in this forum seems to be grossed out or even commented with girl on girl. It has been very accepted in the straight world for a girl to do a girl and both sexes will watch that porn. So why is that? Only men need to answer that, Im pretty sure Crapmagnet and I are both pretty open minded on the subject since we are the only girly girls that have posted on the forum 1. Sort of like how masculine pronouns are also the neuter pronouns, it seems like "gay" is both masculine homosexuality and neuter homosexual whereas feminine homosexuality has it's own term (lesbian). 2. As I said before, public displays of over affection repulses me regardless of if it's 2 men, 2 women, or a man and a women. If 2 men or 2 women kissed each other on the lips in a "Hi/Bye my love" type quick kiss, I probably wouldn't give two glances. 3. Girl on girl is acceptable? Let's be honest here, porn lesbians look nothing like most women, little less most lesbian couples. The stereotypical sexual/porn lesbian is going to look more like Alison Brie. The stereotypical real lesbian is more like Rosie O'Donnell (and I'd use Rosie as the example even if she was straight). I'm sure most guys here would love to have two Alison Bries going at each other. Two Rosie O'Donnells? Umm, not so much, 4. Why is lesbian porn OK, but male gay porn not? Power. Consider historically the views of power between the sexes and the power relationship between receptive and giving persons? Heck, why is it more of a big deal for a man to be a nurse or receptionist than a woman being a physician? Why is it that the only acceptable skirt for men (kilts) is almost fervently defended as "not a skirt"? Why? Because society still views being feminine as weak and bad, thus when women cross dress no one cares because the woman is taking on power. Men cross dressing, however, results in an almost visceral revulsion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tniuqs Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 (edited) Well just for fun, as this thread is morphing into something actually quite interesting, lets examine what the experts have to say about male homosexuality, (that as I listen to Katy Perry "I kissed a girl and I liked it") The fact is that females that are bisexual have an superior position in finding a mate to procreate and will provide links to research if so requested.. its just the way it is, males are attracted to bisexual females as IF they can keep up in the first place http://www.heretical...la/g-spots.html there is a realistic and very tangible reason why women require more stimulation to reach orgasm its very simplistically a part of procreation and the proliferation of the species of "homo sapiens" Speaking as a male that truly has no "hang ups" well except for flagrant displays in open public forums or a goofy parade's under the foolish auspice of some sense of misplaced "pride" most seriously if there IS a genetic predisposition to male homosexuality then would one and following Darwinian logic this "predisposition" as homosexuals males to do NOT produce offspring and continue the so called genetic "aberrancy" would be self limiting in one generation would it not ? Best look to the scholarly studies and expert testimony / opinion as we always do, with all EBM in EMS to guide us. A new book by a well-known British academic suggests that some men are gay because they don’t break with other boys during childhood and retain some of their juvenile characteristics when they become adult. In The Naked Man: A Study Of The Male Body , Desmond Morris questioned why “a certain percentage of adult human males, with or without the approval of society at large, find members of their own gender attractive. His answer is that it happens for social reasons, therefore discrediting any “gay gene” theory. But he also changed his previous theory that people would become gay because of the lack of absence of a father or a male role. Comparing experiences of young heterosexuals and homosexuals, the best-selling author believed that the main change would happen at the pubertal phase. At about the age of five, sexes would draw apart and a boy would play only with other boys, a phase that: “will last about ten years", during which time he will be going through an intensive educational period, programming the amazing computer inside his skull.” For many boys, with the flood of sex hormones during puberty the interest in girls would suddenly rise. But not for others, because according to Morris “they get stuck in the stand-off phase, and stay there for the rest of their lives.” During the ten-year learning phase, male-to-male attachment would become so powerful for them and “if there are any special social factors adding their weight at this point, the break can be thwarted." Morris suggests that some gay men may have had unpleasant experiences with girls during the stand-off. “Or he may have found the boyish sex games that are so common in the stand-off phase to be particularly exciting and this may have fixated him on other males as sexual companions. “For him it is impossible to make the switch because he cannot bear to leave behind what he had before.” He concluded that men are “made gay” because they keep juvenile characteristics when they become adult, what is known as “neoteny.” The 79-year old zoologist and anthropologist also said that gay men tend to be more creative than heterosexual as “the playfulness of childhood is continued into adulthood,” which he claims explain why so many artists and creative people are gay. Morris is best known for his series of “popular science” books in the 1960s and 1970s, such as The Naked Ape. Care to comment on this flamingemt ? Edited December 10, 2011 by tniuqs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DwayneEMTP Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 Happiness.. When speaking of why lesbians seem attractive to some when gay men don't, speaking of fantasy porn as I've never actually just sat in a hotel room and watched either pairing have sex, my theory has always been more along the lines of givers and takers. Generally speaking women have always been in the 'giver' category to me. It's late and I'm to tired to make a good argument for that so I'm just gonna run with it. Put to givers together and you end up with what seems more like my natural view of most sexual contact. Two people that want to fulfill each other. That seems like a natural pairing. Put two takers together and it appears to me to be just ugly, in the context of sex. Just a couple of pigs rutting, and rutting pigs has never really made my nipples hard. Follow JP's thought of powerful/less powerful and that pairing makes sense as well as in that context even a 'taker' can gift the less powerful with kindness and be fulfilled by it. But of course that's fantasies and pornography. Something I'd know almost nothing about if Babs didn't force me to constantly watch her disgusting collection...just sayin'... In reality, I don't really know. One of my favorite medics in Afg, that became a pretty good friend while I was there was gay. One day I made a joke about butt sex, he looked shocked for a second and then said, "Oh, I don't do that.." I was equally shocked and said something like..."Err...What??" He said, "What? Straight people assume that I do that just because I'm gay?" I said, "Well...not being a duly elected representative of all straight people, I can't say for sure, but I can say that this straight person thought so." I'd assumed that, like most straights that I know, that gays would do everything, in every way, at least as an experiment. He claimed that some gays are only oral, others only anal, some only pitchers, others only catchers, some like everything...it was terribly complicated and made me aware that should I ever suddenly become homosexual that I would likely need some type of cheat sheet to be able to keep everything organized. Anyway, my point being is that I don't know what's right or wrong where such things are concerned, and have not even the tiniest motivation to make such judgements. But I am pretty comfortable in what I find respectful, and not, in public or in front of my family. And I believe that most other people are comfortable with that as well, which is what causes me to call bullshit when two men peeing on each other in a public street are met with criticism, and then pretend to be aghast that straight people are offended my the simple, loving contact of two people that are just accidentally in public. Dwayne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tniuqs Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 (edited) But of course that's fantasies and pornography. Something I'd know almost nothing about if Babs didn't force me to constantly watch her disgusting collection...just sayin'... Bhaaa Whaaa Haa Haa ! And I thought I was hilarious. Edited December 10, 2011 by tniuqs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happiness Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 Wow you guys really went to task on this one, and all I thought was going to be said was "because we (as in men) just like it" Don't worry Dwayne my husband has the same complaint when I make him watch my stash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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