Thank you for being sincere I really do appreciate it, not trying to start a war, but I did work in Tulsa for a while, and there wasn't much difference between Oklahoma and Cali except in $$$, I mean we still had protocols to follow written and directed by an MD. I also enjoy the medic aspect of my job, but there is only so much you can do out of hospital, especialy with short transport times, and as far as the FD's keeping EMS back I say it's the volly's who give there service away for free are doing just that, and the privates for being so cheap with all equipment and personel.