ERDoc Posted July 12, 2009 Share Posted July 12, 2009 but doc, he's one of the exceptions which Crotchity seems to say don't count. I wholeheartedly agree on him being held up to be a fine example. But then again, he's the exception to the rule and there are hundreds if not thousands of others being held down by the white man. I hear ya Ruff. Some people just don't get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeepluv77 Posted July 12, 2009 Share Posted July 12, 2009 I'm shocked at how far all this has gone. Really. If people would stop pulling the race card every time something doesn't go their way racism could truly be over. But every time that card is pulled and people are expected to feel guilty about it only breeds needless resentment where there was none to begin with. We all have our stories. I'm willing to bet that not one person in EMS was born with a silver spoon in their mouth. I'm not on rescue yet, but I've met several black EMS members in both my clinical and field shifts, including supervisors. They have all been every bit as competent as any white member. How about living in the here and now instead of the past? How about instead of telling people that are living in the projects(regardless of race because not everyone in the projects is black or even a minority) to use that as motivation to change things for future generations rather than as a crutch? And, Crotchity, on another thread I mentioned that there were several members on this forum who's advice and input I value greatly. You were one of them. However, the way you've conducted yourself through all this makes me have to step back a bit. You are no doubt brilliant. But, seriously, you need to make peace with the anger and hostility you have. I know you'd make it a lot further in your career if you relied on your obvious brainpower rather than your race and what happened 200+ years ago. My family never owned slaves and, in fact, came here as indentured servants. I don't expect anything for that and I refuse to apologize for something that neither I nor any member of my family had any part in. Please, set a good example for future generations. You mentioned the civil rights movement of the 60's and how many people made great sacrifices. They did that for you. Appreciate that and take it a step further by inspiring the next generation just as the great men and women of that era inspired you instead of just feeding them excuses. No one gets a free ride. I've had to overcome an abusive childhood, an abusive marriage, living in my car to get out of that marriage, and major medical issues to get to where I am today. I'm in treatment right now for PTSD due to all this. But instead of letting it continue to hold me back like it has for longer than I care to think about I've decided to fight my ass of to get through it so my children won't have to. As with any type of abuse(and yes, racism is a type of abuse regardless of what race it's directed at) the cycle has to end somewhere. You make the choice of whether to continue it or to let it end with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spenac Posted July 12, 2009 Share Posted July 12, 2009 As a Native American I have no say. The Africans, Mexicans, Spaniards, British, etc have slaughtered us and locked us up on small reservations and we live in poverty. So you all owe me. You may send your guilt money to, HOW STUPID CAN I BE @ idiot dot com. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeepluv77 Posted July 12, 2009 Share Posted July 12, 2009 Sure thing spenac. I'll get right on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HERBIE1 Posted July 12, 2009 Author Share Posted July 12, 2009 As a Native American I have no say. The Africans, Mexicans, Spaniards, British, etc have slaughtered us and locked us up on small reservations and we live in poverty. So you all owe me. You may send your guilt money to, HOW STUPID CAN I BE @ idiot dot com. Spenac, as a Native American, you and your people DO have the right to complain the loudest. What the "white man" and everyone else who visited here- did to your people is horrendous. So- why is it that we DON'T hear the same complaints from this community- even when they are entitled to it? I submit this is a matter of pride, self respect, and self reliance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ERDoc Posted July 12, 2009 Share Posted July 12, 2009 So are Cortez and the other Spaniards considered whitey? I hope not because it would be nice to have another group to share the blame with. Now we can blame whites and hispanics. Spen, you guys have the casinos. Isn't that enough? What more do you people want? I'm also very conflicted. I am part white and part native American. Am I supposed to feel guilty or am I supposed to feel oppressed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Star Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 As a Native American I have no say. The Africans, Mexicans, Spaniards, British, etc have slaughtered us and locked us up on small reservations and we live in poverty. So you all owe me. You may send your guilt money to, HOW STUPID CAN I BE @ idiot dot com. I'm not saying I'll be sending a 'rubber check', but the pen keeps bouncing off the check as I try to sign it ... So are Cortez and the other Spaniards considered whitey? I hope not because it would be nice to have another group to share the blame with. Now we can blame whites and hispanics. Spen, you guys have the casinos. Isn't that enough? What more do you people want? I'm also very conflicted. I am part white and part native American. Am I supposed to feel guilty or am I supposed to feel oppressed? Since you're of mixed descent, I'm thinking you need to be feeling guilty that you're feeling 'oppressed'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeepluv77 Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 It's okay, guys. I'm Melungeon so I'm extremely confused. We've got European, sub-Saharan African, and Native American lineage. I guess I'm supposed to feel superior because I'm oppressed and proud of it. Or maybe that's oppressed because I'm proud and superior? Or proud because I can be superior and oppressed at the same time? Or proud and superior because I'm oppressed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HERBIE1 Posted July 13, 2009 Author Share Posted July 13, 2009 So are Cortez and the other Spaniards considered whitey? I hope not because it would be nice to have another group to share the blame with. Now we can blame whites and hispanics. Spen, you guys have the casinos. Isn't that enough? What more do you people want? I'm also very conflicted. I am part white and part native American. Am I supposed to feel guilty or am I supposed to feel oppressed? LOL You are supposed to feel guilty about feeling oppressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard B the EMT Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 (edited) Spenac, are you a "First Nations/Native American"? What tribe/band? I'm not one, but I dated a Deneh Navajo a couple of decades ago, before either of us knew she was Navajo (details and file on request). My girlfriend, Lady J, was raised in a "Project", was already planning on moving out, when the plan "went to the front burner", following the two of us getting robbed at gunpoint as I escorted her home. She now rents in a 2 family private house (landlady lives on second floor) about a mile and a half from the old project. As for people in any neighborhood, the unfortunate thing is, no matter how nice, or hardworking the locals are, let one negative thing happen in the neighborhood, and everyone residing there gets "labeled" as being as bad as whatever that negative incident happened to be. Edited July 13, 2009 by Richard B the EMT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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