Ace844

The owner of one of my jobs has soem undergradutae and is an entrapreneaur, the next lowest manager has an associates, soem of the street providers have more education than both of them combined.. ACE

The information is there, you just need to look..I gave you a few to help you have a number of different approaches to the info. ACE

Ok, read this then, in case you haven't used the search function.. Teaching Points::::Respiratory Physiology, COPD, and O2RX http://www.pubmedcentral.gov/articlerender...i?artid=1113909 http://www.cvm.okstate.edu/Courses/vmed5412/LECT003.ASP http://www.uic.edu/classes/phyb/phyb401bb/Resp98.htm http://physiology.usouthal.edu/medphys/res...ines%202006.pdf http://predator.pnb.uconn.edu/~wwwpnb/cour...tory_System.doc http://healthsciences.columbia.edu/dept/ps...Respiration.pdf

The links above will get you started.

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Very soon this will be :: But what fun would we have unless:

"GAmedic," Excellent list of accomplishments, and since you have been posting about all you would like to do for EMS, we are waiting to hear form you and about your participation-addition to EMS and helpfor us all in the advocacy threads. ACE844

(Fledgling EMT Saves Pregnant Woman From Burning SUV POSTED: 5:23 pm EDT July 27 @ 2006 http://www.wftv.com/news/9587873/detail.html TAMPA, Fla. Copyright 2006 by The Associated Press. All rights reserved) Many emergency workers wait years for their first save. Wes Stevens got his before being hired. GET WFTV NEWS HEADLINES BY EMAIL 9 a.m. Headlines Noon Headlines 4 p.m. Headlines News of the Strange Breaking News Alerts Stevens, 19, pulled a pregnant woman from a burning Jeep Cherokee that flipped after being hit in traffic Wednesday. An emergency technician in training, Stevens stopped, rushed to the Jeep and pulled 23-year-old Natasha Berry free of the wreckage as the undercarriage of her vehicle burned. "It's kind of what I've been training for the past year and a half," said Stevens, who recently became a volunteer firefighter and has applied for a job with Tampa Fire Rescue. Two others also were injured, including Berry's passenger, Adhanet Kidane, 22, who is five months pregnant. Berry said in all the confusion she didn't remember who pulled her out, but she was grateful for Stevens' help. "Thank God for him," she told the St. Petersburg Times. "You hear it on the news every day people don't make it out alive. I'm so happy everybody (Fledgling EMT saves woman from burning SUV an Associated Press report 07/28/06 TAMPA) Many emergency workers wait years for their first save. Wes Stevens got his before being hired. The 19 year old pulled a pregnant woman from a burning Jeep Cherokee that flipped after being hit in traffic Wednesday in Tampa. Stevens is an emergency technician in training. He pulled over and rushed to get 23-year-old Natasha Berry out of the wreckage as the undercarriage of her vehicle burned. Stevens says he's applied for a job with Tampa Fire Rescue and has been training for moments like this.

Maybe we need to take soem notes and follow the UK's example. Maybe after the mortality rates increase soem the lawmakers will see our cause in a different light.... Read the story here:: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england...ide/5223068.stm http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0100new...-name_page.html Here's an example of the kind of mentality which we are fighting against.. http://www.sturgisjournal.com/main.asp?Sec...amp;TM=83227.17

One of the things which I also think it is important for you all to consider is that we even here are approaching this in a manner individually which may set up the effort for failure. What do I mean you ask? Well each of here have gone into this thread subconsciously with an expectation that we are attacking volunteers, and that this is a 'Volunteer vs. Paid' debate. This si not the case. This illustrates a issue which we have fundamentally in EMS culture. We need to shed the US vs Them mentality that we are showing and which has become natural. The entire effort in EMS advocacy has to move from the petty infighting i.e.: Paid vs Volunteer, Public vs. Private, 3rd service vs integrated, Urban vs. Rural.Fact of the matter is we all need to stand up TOGETHER! We need to unite, and make this an example of US {EMS} making difficult choices, banding together, and doing the right thing vs. THEM {the rest of the population} and show them what is wrongand how we are going to fix it and improve and work with them to make things better for the future. This can only happen effectively if we put aside petty in-fighting and step up to the plate and do soemthing about the situation. Otherwise the predictions that 'Rid,& others' are making will come to pass. Food for thought, ACE844

You can get more info on the physiology here: http://human.physiol.arizona.edu/SCHED/Res.../Morgan.L51.pdf http://www.ursa.kcom.edu/Department/Lectur...Respiration.doc ACE844

"Rid," If there's anything I can do to help, don't hesitate to let me know either here or via PM, e-mail, whatever. ACE

Rat you should read the links, studies and info available. ALso "rid's" post here is a must read as well: How To Lobby Effectively Out Here, ACE844

Is that like post demise pneumotaxic respiratory drive syndrome????? :wink: :wink: :shock: ACE844

To take what "AZCEP," suggested one step further, perhap you could contact soemone at the rural ems group and they can provide those of you who need it with advice, support, and resources, to help you be sucessful and they may even help bring more attention to your cause! Here is another suggestion as well. Here is a link to an advocacy site which was founded by one of our more popular, and well respected colleagues:: http://capem.org/index.html[/font:f7afc29a23] Out Here, ACE844

Hello Everyone, In addation to "AZCEP's" comments I would like to add that if one of us would have the ability, perhaps if admin will allow it we can either post copies of our letters here or soemone can collect copies so we know what kind of response we had, and have something to follow up with. Here is a link to an advocacy site which was founded by one of our more popular, and well respected colleagues:: http://capem.org/index.html[/font:c0edb59953] For those that need the help, here's one example from an ems advocacy group, and an example of some of the wording which might help you with your letter. [web:c0edb59953]http://www.advocatesforems.org/Library/upload/NEMSIS_Senate_Sample_Letter.pdf[/web:c0edb59953] Hope This Helps, ACE844

I have a huge black cloud syndrome, so pretty much from the moment I step through the door, I am as ready as I can be for it to go FUBAR. That being said I do also practice what the original poster mentioned. ACE

Here are some up coming legislation and bills on this topic:: http://www.advocatesforems.org/Library/upl...al%20access.pdf http://www.advocatesforems.org/Library/upl...ces_summary.pdf Proposed medicare changes: http://www.advocatesforems.org/Library/upl...e%20payment.pdf http://www.advocatesforems.org/Library/upl...eave_Behind.pdf Comments? ACE

For those who are interested in further reference to what is discussed in the above link here are a few more to look at as well:: http://www.nyu.edu/ccpr/NYUEMSreport.pdf http://www.gwu.edu/~dhs/reports/HSPI_EMS_t...port_5-2-05.pdf http://www.flightparamedic.org/docs/IAFP_E...1st_Century.pdf Now what do you think? ACE844

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ANY one else going to be participating??? I don't live in a rural area currently, but I am willing to do participate as well. ACE844

I agree with you wholeheartedly and we are trying to actively work to change and help address these issues and would appreciate any and all help you can bring to this. We also mentioned this in another thread on lobbying; Thanks for the input!!! ACE

Yeah, this actually seems to be one of those groups who are doing things and making headway...perhaps we can learn from their example... Here's a link to their site. http://www.nrharural.org/ ACE

With that arguement one could also cite the multiple instances in the literature whereby even after having a 'negative' Head CT, the pt recieved thrombolyitics, and bled out anyway.... ACE