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Pass fail ratings just mean that the facility has produced students to meet the minimum standards of the accreditation exam. Id be more concerned with finding which organizations produce stellar students, performing at their peak. This is something you can find through reputation, not percentages. Spell checked, one mistake found, not corrected because I dont give that much of a s*%t

Considering the lack of business on the fire side these days, im not sure any FF has the position in life to lament a damn thing.

orally? swallow? ...nope...too easy.....

Absolutely as well as promoting paramedic burnout unnecessarily. Your admin is a member here, if memory serves me. He should exlain why this policy exists. .....and Dust, i will respond to your lengthy post momentarily...lemme eat 1st...

Ok, maybe I misunderstood. But, you have made yourself completely clear before about how basics are pointless because the only jobs that use them are transport services. This was during EMTcity's "phase out basics" not too long ago. Something to keep in mind in future arguments. Moving to the subject at hand. To suggest we lose knowledge the day we leave basic school as your reasoning for your stance in similar to fighting fire with fire. Heres what I mean. According to your statement, basics lose information and knowledge when leaving school. So, thus, we should go straight to medic. I must ask, if this is your baseline issue, then you are treating a symptom of a bigger problem completely inappropriately. So, im going to change my previous statement to further fit the situation. A drastic improvement of EMT basic education is required before mandating a requisite BLS time before entry to paramedic school. We've beat Basic education improvement to death here, and I hope not to have to revisit it. Moving on.... Quantification of experience must be made on a case by case basis, at the point of entry and acceptance to a accredited paramedic program. Similar to applying for a job, where experience is needed, there are processes that one can go through to quantify any experience. If not, no one would have to interview, resumes wouldnt exist, pre employment exams, blah blah blah. Im sorry, this arguement doesnt hold up. Opinion, not fact. Even if this was true on a "all-basic" encompassing level, standard changes in education, a shift to collegiate level education, and standards of admittance to BLS programs would be simple changes need to rectify this issue. That line is simple actually. In order to be considered a true medical provider, in my opinion, your scope of practice has to involve several things. One of which is patient assessment. The first responder program does not include that. This is why its a first responder program, and as simple in nature as it is. That, is MY OPINION. I think I got everything. *Waits patiently for a reply* PRPG

Your 100% correct in most aspects. EVOC, for the most part has changed minimally in the past 8 years ive been whacking, and im sure over the past twenty years you've been floating around. But, considering how lacksadaisical many people can be, would refresher courses be helpful? For the most part, I believe services are requiring regular refreshers to get the documentation for a premium break on auto insurance, btw....

Your point is wrong, which was my point (for those who followed that) My feeling on this topic has always been completely based around your area, region, and how things are done. If you live in an area like Texas, where most of your 911 crews are strictly ALS, with limited availability of BLS 911 experience, then by all means go straight to Medic school. Not doing that will only hurt you. In a large part of the country, 911 BLS exists, and in some, they are included in busy metropolitan systems. Until you have enough time under your belt, know the system, how EMS works, are comfortable with this being the direction you want to go, seen patients, understand patient care, etc etc etc, you can only be helped by BLS 911 time. Completely intrinsic on the area you work is all... *Shuts up to allow dust his rant*

For those services who dont require annual or biannual retrainings, should they?

tooo much time with Roger....

Yet again I remind you, BLS does ALOT more than that outside of your small sliver of Texas. That being said, Rest of your post is right on the money.

Ok kids, PRPG's question of the day. I've noticed one distinct lack of reeducation in Public Safety services is EVOC. I pose two questions today to the board dwellers. 1.) Does your service, or state require you to recertify EVOC? 2.) If not, what are your feelings on a timed certification for EVOC? How often is enough?

wow....where to start... 1.) OH my god, the caps lock is NOT your friend... 2.)Seriously, did you have an arguement with punctuation this week? 3.) Spell check, spell check, spell check... 4.) Grammar eeeeeeek bad.... ....and on a side note, congrats Michael!!!

Its a state law thing love...anyone can drop a child at your station, no questions asked. [web:34c3def925]http://www.ncsl.org/programs/cyf/ailaws.htm[/web:34c3def925]

Tell the repo guy that when he knocks at the door...

Yay search function :thumbright: What are you looking to major in with said Bachelors degree?

When necessary...just like a helmet. Gloves are OVERWORN in ems...

You raise a good point.

Your right to a point. Heres the issue at hand. The responsible municipality has a responsibility to provide or name a service to the community to cover fire, EMS, and LEO services. This must be a completely unfettered service, provided either by donation or taxes. This is a issue with the municipality at hand, not offering this service. Your right, it was a private service. No one questioned that. There is a responsibility to provide a public service which wasn't provided. The only access this person had to fire protection was this private service. Chances are, you live in a democratic country CSR, which gives you a right to your own opinions. Even if they are wrong. PRPG

Ok...were on the same page then. FD...whatever. The officials of the region this resident lived in are at fault here, no one else.

Understood...and agreed. I have to think of these things anyway, so might as well do it now. I have answers for most but not all. Again dust, thanks for the help and tossing that out there. The other three and I who are working on similar projects could certainly always use more stimulation. Ok...get that out of your head...ugh....dirty old man...

Your disagreement is slightly flawed here. Municipal services sometimes refuse to answer calls for service outside the city limits. You are correct. But, the all volunteer departments were dispatched as a primary provider, and attempted to solve the problem. Might they have crew issues? Sure. But thats a whole other situation, that needs to be handled. Everyone has a right to a primary provider. That right was not granted here. Its not like another service was coming from a farther distance, no service existed. The arguement is not about who's going to fight it, its about if someone is willing to. Thats a huge issue.

Im still working on a response to dusts two posts... Logo: done Business plan: Done Capital: Done Brains: Done Thank you so much to everyone for this. Keep em' coming, im one of four members of EMTcity doing this, all in different areas. PRPG

Wrong, to a point. A community is required to name a provider of every service, or provide its own service. As a manager of specific country or area, you could make the county provider of fire service a private company 3 states over. You still have to name someone to provide unfettered service to the community. This wasnt done here.

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Stop, because your wrong on, i dont know...a dozen points or so. Are you aware that only 2 insurance companies will pay for fire supression services? Oh and, by the way, neither are state farm. The fire service has attempted time and time again to establish themselves as a billable entity in the public safety realm. It continues not to work. Why? Because in any volunteer department, your financial operations outlay is minimal, for general services. There are a few issues with this. EMS has a duty to act for ALL 911 dispatched calls. Period. You cannot walk into a house and extend your hand to the 80 year old patient with chest pain and ask for 350 cash, or credit card. *Swipe* "thank you for using Visa Mr. Johnson, heres your Nitro" It doesnt, and can't happen. Any municipality has the responsibility to provide or contract with a service to provide all aspects of the public safety response. Police, fire, and EMS. Police doesnt ask for payment before arresting your robber, EMS can't ask for payment before treatment, and fire cannot and should not be asking for "dues" before action to service the community. Think about it, put the same system in the lower class neighborhood in the inner city. We would lose half of the major cities, billing people who cant pay? Ridiculous. The public safety community needs to be able to provide service to all members of its response district, regardless of its ability to pay. Provision of Emergency services, funding issues, and operating costs are not the responsibility of the general public, but the responsibility of township and city managers, and emergency services administrators. Operating costs are not the responsibility of the fire service at the scene of a working fire.