Bail Enforcment Agents, The Combative PT and Confidentiality

[Just Plain Ruff]

I think they answered the question appropriately

they say that you need to develop protocols to address this in conjunction with working with your local legal eagles and local law enforcement.

It is impossible and implausible for the state of new york or any other state to define this at each jurisdictional level.

The answer "call law enforcement when in doubt" is probably the best you will get from the state.

But we aren't really gonna take Dog and his kin's word that they are licensed bounty hunters are we and let them ride with us to the hospital right? I certainly hope not.

the best advice is to work with your jurisdictions law enforcement and your companies attorneys to develop a specific action plan to handle just this type of scenario. If we go on assumptions and assertions of the bounty hunters then we all are on a slippery slope.

personally, I'm calling PD to verify that they are who they say they are. If not I have not done my job by protecting my patient until I'm satisfied that the right thing is being done.

[Richard B the EMT]

OK I put in the side step comment, and it is unwarranted.

The NY State Police basically said, we're not making a decision, but will support you in whatever decision you make. Leastwise, that is my take on it.

[Christopher.Collins]

know which state, if any, "Dog" Chapman is "regulated" either in or by?

Hawaii... but I dont know what his word is worth, most bounty hunters to the best of my knowledge think hes a joke.

Thanks for the attempt at info Richard, Im assuming theres some inside joke as to NY Police side stepping any questions?

Anthony you have a good point as well, Im sure it comes down to the custody issue more than anything.

[Lone Star]

Hmmmm.....

No 'definative answer', but 'will support you in whatever you decide to do...'

Did I call that 'sidestep' or what?

ROFLMAO

[AnthonyM83]

It's almost better that way though . . .

[Asysin2leads]

Bail Enforcement agents are known by another name. Civilians. Treat them as you would any other civilian. Nothing more, nothing less.

[trailrunner78]

If you try to separate a "skip" from the agent who has him in custody, expect drama. Expect the skip to try and take advantage of your interference (as opposed to just practicing medicine) to escape if they are one of the "highly motivated" types, who will fake symptoms until a millisecond before doing their Jesse Owens impression. If you successfully interfere in a lawful arrest, the "skip" escapes, and ANYONE is subsequently injured or hurt in any way, expect you and your employer to be sued. As an EMT you have zero training and experience with arresting violent people, don't make the mistake of acting like you do. Many bail bond agents are former military or law enforcement themselves. Don't take Chapman and his freak show as anything like who you may be dealing with. He is an ex-felon himself, the former sergeant at arms of an outlaw motorcycle club who found Jesus once he was locked up as many of them do. His ex-felon status is why you do not see him carrying anything stronger than "Dog" repellent, Hawaii's laws on concealed carry notwithstanding.

Most of the time the PD will be on scene very quickly. Let them make any judgment calls.

[letmesleep]

All I have to say is get PD there to protect you, your partner, and your Pt, as always. If a bounty hunter wants our assistance, then there has to be some rules to follow, in MY office, otherwise they can assume responsiblity for there "skip", and risk themselves to the hospital.

[Just Plain Ruff]

If you try to separate a "skip" from the agent who has him in custody, expect drama. Expect the skip to try and take advantage of your interference (as opposed to just practicing medicine) to escape if they are one of the "highly motivated" types, who will fake symptoms until a millisecond before doing their Jesse Owens impression. If you successfully interfere in a lawful arrest, the "skip" escapes, and ANYONE is subsequently injured or hurt in any way, expect you and your employer to be sued. As an EMT you have zero training and experience with arresting violent people, don't make the mistake of acting like you do. Many bail bond agents are former military or law enforcement themselves. Don't take Chapman and his freak show as anything like who you may be dealing with. He is an ex-felon himself, the former sergeant at arms of an outlaw motorcycle club who found Jesus once he was locked up as many of them do. His ex-felon status is why you do not see him carrying anything stronger than "Dog" repellent, Hawaii's laws on concealed carry notwithstanding.

Most of the time the PD will be on scene very quickly. Let them make any judgment calls.

this is the EXACT reason that PD will get called by me to come and take over this situation. I'll handle the medical issues, the people with badges will handle the other crap.

[trailrunner78]

Let me put this another way. Are the rules in your office the same for a bail agent as for the police? In both cases you are dealing with someone who has lawful arrest authority, who has just arrested someone who is authorized to be arrested. It sounds like you want to differentiate between the two for some reason that I'm pretty sure you can't justify and I'm suggesting that it's not really your job to decide that you will treat one differently than the other. You seem to be focused on "your territory" etc..

I hope you won't take offense (and you probably shouldn't unless you resemble my remarks) and if I've misunderstood your outlook on this it's all good. 8)