BushyFromOz

just a note some state if you are a emt or medic and you see a mva or any thing like that you MUST STOP AND HELP ther is my 2 cents "CROC"

This is an interesting topic right here.........

I know in australia, whilst there is no written law stating that off duty medical practitioners must provide care when within a reasonable distance (though it is hard to varify exctly what is reasonable) there is case law where medical practitioners who were in close proximity to people in crises that either refused to intervene when asked, or did not intervene as they were "off duty" and the patient's outcome was seriosuly compromised.

For example a Dr being in a doctors surgery, and although it is after hours, if you are approached and asked for assistance in what appears to be an emergent situation, you are requireds to help that patient. Displaying a uniform or item that denotes you are a medical practitioner, and even though of duty, you may find yourself in close proximity to a patient in need, youy cannot refuse that need, lest open yourself to civil litigation

Im interested to know what other countries have in the way of duty of care

Well, i think ill use this opportunity to pose a question to yall....

At the race meets i cover we routinely extricate the driver through the passenger side, though we open the drivers side door to do it....

We find it is much smoother than going out the drivers door, it also mean we can have them on the spine board and strapped down before we even remove it from the vehicle, find its much easier to get their legs out from under the steering wheel this way

Any thoughts?

If your credentials are that good, go interstate....

But your attitude still sucks,,,,

They pushed the tertiary based modell with such a big stick it has begun to make a culture of people who believe that having a degree should automatically give them a job because they have the education requirements on paper. A degree is generally a pre-requisite to become a student, and any services internal programs will take 12 months to 3 years to complete

End result is a whole lot of people who think that their lives should be easier because they have a no guarantees piece of paper with no experience backing it up, blame the universities and ambulance services for having to many graduates and not enough jobs, yet fail to realise that

• universitie have to make money to survive, hence large volumes of graduates

Ambulance services will not recruit abopve the staffing levels required, because they will lose money

theoretically, EMS standards will rise because they can take the best for a large group of educated people

we are trying to get a job with government agencies in a profession that has just been voted the most trusted in the country, so you better believe the competition is gonna be stiff and the standards high

well, here is a fantastic way for bushy to lose his cool......

That is being a fully qualified paramedic being employed as a hospital orderly because after three years of failed job applications due to a ridiculous abundance of trained EMS workers and a low amount of jobs, an orderly is the best you can do.

For gods sake, when did going to university and getting a degree made you fully qualified...this is the attitude that holds tertiary based education back. This dumb ass i know all mentality is exactly why students in iniversities have such a hard time out in the real world, because attitudes like yours breed contempt. It is obvious from your post you have not worked as a medic, because as you stated you have failed job applications. Get into industry, get back into school, do another cert...stop whinging about how you have a piece of paper and now they should just hand you your career on a silver platter

If you thought that simply getting into a university course that has no pre-selection, and no guarantees was gonna get you an "in" think again. They punch out lots of graduates because they need to make money. If you cant get into the field mnake yourself more employable - the thing that kills people on selection is the psychometric and if the attitide you just displayed is a typical "i have a cert, now give me a job" attitude that a lot of uni students have in this country, then im not surprised your an orderly

You are not a paramedic, and if you got into a service tomorrow you would not be a paramedic, you would be a student paramedic, and there in lies a difference. You want to liberally apply the term paramedic to anyone with a degree or an interest in EMS and use its literal sense then go right ahead, but a true use of the term paramedic would involve a deeper critique of ones education, attitude and experience and you seem to be lacking in the last two

Suck it up bucko, it only gets harder from here

Ole Liz might not like that...more importantly, did his shoes survive?

Dust you evil bloke

as Timmy said, it is law here for seatbelts

Protective helmets are law for push bikes and motorcycles are also mandatory

Interestingly Aus has come out with some good scare tactics campaigs the last couple of years, specifically on seatbelts, drink driving (i recommend you see the fantatsic film clip to the song "untitled" by Simple Plan) and anti smoking campaigns.

Cigarette packets are required by law to have some of the dangers of smoking emblazoned across the front of them, including graphic pictureds such as mouth cancer...there are TV commercials that follow this as well

Tobacco products are not to sponser sporting event either, so you will quite frequently see formula 1 or indy cars come into australia, have to cover the sponsorship emblems on thei cars....really made those red and whit Marlborough cars look weird

it amazes me that at 3.50 am, you managed to arouse whats left of my seemingly cold and coagulated cranial porridge

Good work Dust!

Patton

No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country.

Chrchill

Hola! this looks like fun!

Whit said

I believe in working smarter not harder.

sounded smart, but then.........

Whit said

Get a battery operated suction. Therefore you dont need a manual one.

And where and how would you like to carry this larger, heavier more expensive piece of gear, and how is this easier that will not fit in the bag Timmy already has, and how exactly is this smarter

Whit said

10 years ago everything was in one bag, hence the word first in bag, It worked great

It is all in one bag...

Whit said

Now everything needs its separate bag. It dosent work any better you just need 20 people to carry all the equipment.

Im sure timmy will have more than 1 bag, and the first thing in will be that shinier, heavier, larger more expensive battery operated suction unit, which is harder - yet smarter

becksdad said

We have esentially the same equipment in the airway bag as you do

I guess Timmy is not living in a blackhole then.....

Whit said

who gets to carry that? I have an idea, why dont we just put a handle on the top of the ambulance and we can just drag it upstairs.

See you wern't reading from the start were you...

Timmy said

Main reason we carry all that stuff, we cover a lot of standby events, you don’t always have the ambulance to take with you or areas can be quiet difficult to access, having everything in the 1 bag and ready to go is good for us

Whit said

Well if you want to nit pick? Where is the child BVM, oh maybe there isnt enough room.

2 sizes of bag - Adult and Paedi - Infants bags are not usually used as it is much more reliable and effective to teach first aiders to do effective mouth to mouth on an infant rather than an overzealous and well meaning person blowing the kids lungs apart with a BVM

Jeez, i think Timmis bag is actually smart then, whod a thought that!

the voices told me to do it.........

i have one word for this man....

TOSSER!

i have mental images of some obese, single and intoxicated male who hasn't washed for 10 days wringing in his own sweat and penning responses on a forum for a county he was a fomer volunteer EMT, reclassified a whacker and left out in the cold one night after trying to tube an unresponsive pt with a teaspoon and length of garden hose while doing bi-lateral cpr on two cardaic arrest victims

If that above line is not proof i need more sleep i dont know what is

This guy is a bloody tosser

You whit, are a twit...

Pretty quick whitted of you to jump up and carry on over the content of timmy list...pitty you didn't take a nano second to think first, instead of making yourself look like a twit

Timmy is involved in a first aid organisation, so there are varying skill levels - keep that in mind

BVM's = you cant figure out why they have adult and paedi sizes?

Pocket Mask = not all levels of first aid are trainied to use BVM's

3 suction units =There are not 3 suction there is 2. Oxygen powered, and hand powered because of the fact that the other uses up the oxygen supply (Duh)

Yankuer sucker = you know that hard sorta tubey thingy they showed you, the suction catheter, yeah, the one ATTACHED to the suctiuon units

Hoses and Adaptors = You know those 02 moving tubey thingies from the regulator to the container that holds the vomit that you sucked up??

The 02 powered suction is fine, provided you have the situation warrants using 25LPM of 02, hence the manual suction

Id never heard the term "jump kit" or "jump bag" intil i started using online forums.

i just call mine a kit, but ive taken to calling it my "whacker bag"

The first step is admitting i have a problem...............

i thought it was military in nature dust???

Or is that a description for bags which you can parachute in?

if this really is the land downunder, you lot are walking on your heads

Good lord!!!!

I have re-read the thread 3 times now and have no clue what the hell is going on thopugh i will ask this of you all.....

We think know what is up is up, and what is down is down, but how do we know that the universe is not on its side?

think about it.................... :shock: :?

wow, did you get out of the wrong side of the bed this morning or just not getting any?

thats an interesting list for a bloke from south australia scorpy.....does the CFS have a first responder type thing like the Metro Fire does in melbourne?

I guess like MAST suits

Oh dear, i sense a debate coming on there...............

Left hand = Beer

Right hand = Barbecue tongs

Pocket = Wallet with money to buy more beer

Pocket = Mobil phone

yes, i am also bored

dont raid the fridge in the staff room and knock of the triage nurses lunch

dont raid the fridge in the staff room and knock off the nursing unit managers lunch

dont back the ambulance into the director of nursing's car in the car park

dont "borrow" a stethoscope then find out later its the A&E docs littman master cardiology

dont tell that guy outside to "move your effing car car", you might find out they are a hospital administrator on a day off

yes, these are actual events

Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmm................................

Hows about you talk to someone who deals in communication systems???