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  1. Let's see if we can right this ship before it goes under like a cargo vessel hauling import cars.

    Fibrinolytics for AMI have no true place in EMS. Remote rural, maybe, if times from onset of symptoms to delivery of the drug are in excess of 6 hours. For CVA, even less place for them. There are too many bad things that can happen to a CVA, and most ER's hesitate to use it without a neurosurgical consult. I can't remember the last time I spoke to a neurosurgeon on the radio, so that is out entirely.

    "AZCEP,"

    I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with you on this one... As further evidence that I am not the only one here's an article for you to read as well.

    Hope This Helps,

    ACE844

    (Thrombolytic Therapy

    Emergency Medicine - Special Aspects Of Emergency Medicine

    Last Updated: June 22 @ 2006

    Author: José G Cabañas, MD , Staff Physician, Department of Emergency Medicine, University of Puerto Rico School of Medicine, Federico Trilla University Hospital; Vice President of Operations, First Response Emergency Medical Services Inc, San Juan

    Coauthor(s): Salvadore E Villanueva, MD, FACEP , Assistant Professor, Department of Emergency Medicine, University of Puerto Rico School of Medicine; Craig Feied, MD, FACEP, FAAEM, FACPh , Director, National Institute for Medical Informatics, Director, Federal Project ER One, Director of Informatics, Washington National Medical Center, Director, National Center for Emergency Medicine Informatics ; Jonathan A Handler, MD , Director of Informatics, Assistant Professor, Department of Emergency Medicine, Northwestern Memorial Hospital

    José G Cabañas, MD, is a member of the following medical societies: American College of Emergency Physicians, American Heart Association, National Association of EMS Physicians, and Society for Academic Emergency Medicine

    Editor(s): William Gossman, MD , Assistant Professor, Department of Emergency Medicine, Rosalind Franklin University of Medicine and Science, Project Medical Director, Department of Emergency Medicine, Mount Sinai Hospital; Francisco Talavera, PharmD, PhD , Senior Pharmacy Editor, eMedicine; Gary Setnik, MD , Chair, Department of Emergency Medicine, Mount Auburn Hospital; Assistant Professor, Division of Emergency Medicine, Harvard Medical School; John Halamka, MD , Chief Information Officer, CareGroup Healthcare System, Assistant Professor of Medicine, Department of Emergency Medicine, Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center; Assistant Professor of Medicine, Harvard Medical School; and Charles V Pollack, Jr, MD, MA, FACEP , Associate Professor of Emergency Medicine, University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine; Chairman, Department of Emergency Medicine, Pennsylvania Hospital)

    INTRODUCTION

    Clinical problems associated with thrombosis

    Thrombosis is an important part of the normal hemostatic response that limits hemorrhage from microscopic or macroscopic vascular injury. Physiologic thrombosis is counterbalanced by intrinsic antithrombotic properties and physiologic fibrinolysis. Under normal conditions, thrombus is confined to the immediate area of injury and does not obstruct flow to critical areas, unless vessel lumen is diminished already such as in atherosclerosis.

    Under pathological conditions, thrombus can propagate into otherwise normal vessels. Thrombus that has propagated where it is not needed can obstruct flow in critical vessels and can obliterate valves and other structures that are essential to normal hemodynamic function. The principal clinical syndromes that result are acute myocardial infarction (MI), deep vein thrombosis, pulmonary embolism, acute ischemic stroke, acute peripheral arterial occlusion, and occlusion of indwelling catheters.

    Pathophysiology of thrombosis

    Both hemostasis and thrombosis depend on the coagulation cascade, vascular wall integrity, and platelets response. Several cellular factors are responsible for thrombus formation. When a vascular insult occurs, immediate local cellular response takes place. Platelets migrate to the area of injury where they secrete several cellular factors and mediators. These mediators promote the clot formation.

    During thrombus formation, circulating prothrombin is activated by platelets. In this process, other major steps take place such as fibrinogen converted to fibrin, which then creates the fibrin matrix. All this takes place while platelets are being adhered and aggregated. Fibrin-bound plasminogen will be converted by thrombolytic drugs to plasmin, the rate-limiting step in thrombolysis.

    It is important to state that the thrombolysis process works on recently formed thrombi. Older thrombi have an extensive fibrin polymerization that makes thrombi more resistant to thrombolysis. Hence, the importance of time for thrombolytic therapy.

    Pathological thrombosis can occur in any vessel at any location in the body. Several causes that predispose to thrombosis include the following:

    Atherosclerosis (plaque rupture)

    Blood flow changes

    Metabolic disorders (diabetes mellitus, hyperlipidemia)

    Hypercoagulable states

    Smoking

    Trauma

    For excellent patient education resources, visit eMedicine's Circulatory Problems Center . Also, see eMedicine's patient education article Blood Clot in the Legs .

    Thrombolytic agents

    Thrombolytic agents available today are serine proteases that work by converting plasminogen to the natural fibrinolytic agent plasmin. Plasmin lyses clot by breaking down the fibrinogen and fibrin contained in a clot.

    Urokinaselike plasminogen activators are produced in renal cells. They circulate in blood and are excreted in the urine. Their ability to catalyze the conversion of plasminogen to plasmin is affected only slightly by the presence or absence of local fibrin clot.

    Tissue-type plasminogen activators are found principally in vascular endothelial cells. Their activity is enhanced in the presence of fibrin, and they have been described as clot specific despite the fact that their activity in the general circulation is approximately equal to that of urokinase.

    No single agent has been approved by the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to be labeled for every indication, and new agents and new dosing regimens are under constant investigation. A choice of lytic agents must be based upon the results of ongoing clinical trials and upon the clinician's experience. The most appropriate agent and regimen for each clinical situation will change over time and may differ from patient to patient.

    The information presented here is based on clinical and investigational experience as reported in the current literature to the authors' best knowledge, without respect to FDA approval for a particular indication. Where the literature does not suggest an effective dose for a lytic agent in a particular clinical setting, no dose information is presented.

    The most available agents today are reteplase (r-PA), alteplase (tPA), tenecteplase (TNKase), urokinase, prourokinase, anisoylated purified streptokinase activator complex (APSAC), and streptokinase itself. However, streptokinase is not frequently used anymore because of availability of newer agents and clinical interventional facilities for emergent conditions.

    Reteplase

    Reteplase (r-PA, Retavase) is a second-generation recombinant tissue-type plasminogen activator that seems to work more quickly and to have a lower bleeding risk than the first-generation agent alteplase.

    Reteplase is a synthetic nonglycosylated deletion mutein of tissue plasminogen activator containing 355 of the 527 amino acids of native tissue plasminogen activator. The drug is produced in Escherichia coli by recombinant techniques. Reteplase does not bind fibrin as tightly as native tissue plasminogen activator, allowing the drug to diffuse more freely through the clot rather than binding only to the surface the way tissue plasminogen activator does. In high concentrations, reteplase does not compete with plasminogen for fibrin-binding sites, allowing plasminogen at the site of the clot to be transformed into clot-dissolving plasmin. These 2 modifications help explain the faster clot resolution seen in patients receiving reteplase than in those receiving alteplase.

    The modifications also resulted in a molecule with a faster plasma clearance and shorter half-life (about 11-19 min) than alteplase. Reteplase undergoes renal (and some hepatic) clearance. The shorter half-life makes the drug ideal for double-bolus dosing. The result is more convenient administration and faster thrombolysis with reteplase than with alteplase, which is given by a bolus followed by an intravenous (IV) infusion.

    The agent may be readministered as necessary, as it is not antigenic and almost never is associated with any allergic manifestations.

    Alteplase

    Alteplase (tPA, Activase) was the first recombinant tissue-type plasminogen activator and is identical to native tissue plasminogen activator. In vivo, tissue-type plasminogen activator is synthesized and made available by cells of the vascular endothelium. It is the physiologic thrombolytic agent responsible for most of the body's natural efforts to prevent excessive thrombus propagation. Alteplase is the fibrinolytic agent most familiar to emergency departments and is the lytic agent most often used for the treatment of coronary artery thrombosis, pulmonary embolism, and acute ischemic stroke.

    In theory, alteplase should be effective only at the surface of fibrin clot. In practice, however, a systemic lytic state is seen, with moderate amounts of circulating fibrin degradation products and a substantial systemic bleeding risk.

    The agent may be readministered as necessary, as it is not antigenic and almost never is associated with any allergic manifestations.

    As of today, alteplase is the only thrombolytic drug approved for acute ischemic stroke.

    Urokinase

    Urokinase (Abbokinase) is the fibrinolytic agent most familiar to interventional radiologists and the one that has been used most often for peripheral intravascular thrombus and occluded catheters. Recently, urokinase was made available once again from the manufacturer. After some years hold from the market due to manufacturer issues with the FDA, it has been reintroduced. The package insert was revised and since then has an indication only for pulmonary embolism. During the time this drug was not available, the FDA encouraged the off-label use of reteplase and alteplase for local-regional lysis of venous and arterial thrombus at any location. As of today, this drug is readily used for this purpose in different clinical and interventional settings.

    Urokinase is a physiologic thrombolytic agent that is produced in renal parenchymal cells. Unlike streptokinase, urokinase directly cleaves plasminogen to produce plasmin. When purified from human urine, approximately 1500 L of urine are needed to yield enough urokinase to treat a single patient. Urokinase is also commercially available in a form produced by tissue culture, and recombinant DNA techniques have been developed for urokinase production in E coli cultures.

    In plasma, urokinase has a half-life of approximately 15 minutes. Allergic reactions are rare, and the agent can be administered repeatedly without antigenic problems.

    Prourokinase

    Prourokinase is a new fibrinolytic agent that is currently undergoing clinical trials for a variety of indications. It is a relatively inactive precursor that must be converted to urokinase before it becomes active in vivo. Its advantages over other plasminogen activators are that it is inactive in plasma and does not bind to or consume circulating inhibitors. As with tissue-type plasminogen activator, prourokinase is somewhat clot specific, since the presence of fibrin enhances the conversion of prourokinase to active urokinase by an unknown mechanism.

    Streptokinase

    Streptokinase is the least expensive fibrinolytic agent, but unfortunately it is highly antigenic and produces a high incidence of untoward reactions. This drawback limits the usefulness of streptokinase in the clinical setting.

    Streptokinase is produced by beta-hemolytic streptococci. It was first isolated in 1933 and entered clinical use in the mid-1940s. Streptokinase by itself is not a plasminogen activator, but it binds with free circulating plasminogen (or with plasmin) to form a complex that can convert additional plasminogen to plasmin. Streptokinase activity is not enhanced in the presence of fibrin.

    The principal plasma activity half-life of streptokinase is about 20 minutes, but an unbound fraction (about 15%) has a half-life of 80 minutes. Since it is produced from streptococcal bacteria, it often causes febrile reactions and other allergic problems. Streptokinase usually cannot be administered safely a second time within 6 months, because it is highly antigenic and results in high levels of antistreptococcal antibodies.

    Anisoylated purified streptokinase activator complex

    APSAC is a complex of streptokinase and plasminogen that does not require free circulating plasminogen to be effective. It has many theoretical benefits over streptokinase but suffers antigenic problems similar to those of the parent compound.

    The half-life of APSAC in plasma is somewhere between 40 and 90 minutes.

    Tenecteplase (TNKase)

    TNKase was approved by the FDA as a fibrinolytic agent in 2000. This drug has a similar mechanism of action as alteplase (tPA). It is the latest thrombolytic agent approved for use in clinical practice. As of today, TNKase is currently indicated for the management of acute myocardial infarction.

    Tenecteplase is produced by recombinant DNA technology using Chinese hamster ovary cells. This drug is a 527 amino acid glycoprotein, which sustained several modifications in amino acids molecules. These modifications consist of a substitution of threonine 103 with asparagine, asparagine 117 with glutamine, and a tetra-alanine substitution at amino acids 296-299 in the protease domain. This change permits TNKase to have a longer plasma half-life and more fibrin specificity. Tenecteplase has a half-life ranging initially from 20-24 minutes up to 130 minutes final clearance, most of it by liver metabolism.

    Because of amino acids modifications, TNKase has the advantage for a single bolus administration and decreased bleeding side effects due to high fibrin specificity. The ASSENT-2 trial showed risk of major bleeding events to be less compared with alteplase 4.7% versus 5.9%. The incidence of hemorrhagic stroke was 0.9%, a little higher than alteplase, which showed 0.7% risk in the GUSTO trials.

    Several clinical trials are in progress seeking new indications for this drug such as in acute ischemic stroke.

    THROMBOLYTIC THERAPY FOR ACUTE MYOCARDIAL INFARCTION

    Reteplase

    The adult dose of reteplase for acute MI is 2 IV boluses of 10 units each. Each bolus is given over 2 minutes, with the second bolus given 30 minutes after initiation of the first bolus injection.

    Alteplase

    tPA can be administered in either an accelerated (1.5 h) infusion or a long (3 h) infusion.

    Must reconstitute with 100 mL sterile water for 1 mg/mL.

    The accelerated infusion of alteplase (tPA) for acute MI is 15 mg IV, followed by 0.75 mg/kg (up to 50 mg) IV over 30 minutes, then 0.5 mg/kg (up to 35 mg) IV over 60 minutes, with a maximum total dose of 100 mg. This is the most common alteplase infusion parameter use for acute myocardial infarction.

    The previous 3-hour infusion consists of 10 mg IV bolus over 2 minutes. Then, give 50 mg over the first hour. This is followed by 20 mg/h infusion for the next 2 hours.

    Urokinase

    Intravenous urokinase is effective for acute MI but has been less well studied than some other agents. The most commonly used rapid-treatment regimen is 2 million U given as an IV bolus, followed by 1 million U over the next 60 minutes.

    Streptokinase

    The adult dose of streptokinase for MI is 1.5 million U in 50 mL D5W given IV over 60 minutes. Allergic reactions force the termination of many infusions before a therapeutic dose can be administered.

    APSAC

    The adult dose of APSAC for MI is 30 U given IV over 2-5 minutes.

    Tenecteplase (TNKase)

    To reconstitute, mix the 50 mg vial in 10 mL sterile water (5 mg/mL).

    TNKase is administered 30-50 mg IV bolus over 5 seconds. Dosage is calculated based on the patient's weight.

    <60 kg - 30 mg (6 mL)

    > 60 kg to <70 kg - 35 mg (7 mL)

    > 70 kg to <80 kg - 40 mg (8 mL)

    > 80 kg to <90 kg - 45 mg (9 mL)

    > 90 kg - 50 mg (10 mL)

    THROMBOLYTIC THERAPY FOR PULMONARY EMBOLISM

    The evidence is overwhelming that fibrinolysis can dramatically reduce the mortality and morbidity rates associated with massive or recurrent pulmonary thromboembolism. As of today, thrombolytic therapy in pulmonary embolism is still controversial. As for patients with an acute MI, the risk of hemorrhagic complications is far less than the survival benefit in most patients with suspected or diagnosed pulmonary embolism.

    In the absence of any specific major contraindication, fibrinolytic therapy is mandatory for all patients with pulmonary embolism who are unlikely to survive further episodes of embolization. Most such patients fall into one of the following categories:

    Patients whose cardiopulmonary reserves have been exhausted, as demonstrated by the presence of significant hypoxemia or by any degree of hemodynamic compromise

    Patients with echocardiographic evidence of right-ventricular dysfunction secondary to pulmonary embolism

    Patients with massive pulmonary embolism

    Patients with underlying cardiopulmonary disease that reduces their baseline reserves

    Patients with cor pulmonale from prior pulmonary embolism

    Patients in hypotensive shock or a shock index > 1

    Shock index = HR / systolic BP

    Pulmonary embolism is a disease of progressive recurrences, in which additional amounts of peripheral venous thrombus may embolize at any time. Death is correlated with the total amount and location of thromboembolus, but not with the size of the initial embolism. For this reason, many believe that the benefit of fibrinolysis may outweigh the risks for all patients with pulmonary embolism, no matter how small the initial insult.

    Patients with pulmonary thromboembolism often decompensate suddenly, and once hemodynamic compromise has developed, the mortality rate is extremely high. When the decision is made to use thrombolysis, the fastest-acting available thrombolytic agent with an acceptable safety and efficacy profile should be chosen. Many centers prefer off-label regimens to the slower on-label regimens that have been approved by the FDA.

    In the worst clinical scenario, pulmonary embolism can cause cardiac arrest. The most common cardiac arrest initial rhythms documented include PEA and asystole. Cardiac arrest in the event of pulmonary embolism has a mortality of about 70%. Recently numerous case reports state the use of thrombolytic boluses in cardiac arrest due to pulmonary embolism, with apparent heroic results. The clinician main goal should focus on avoiding the cardiac arrest and identifying patient candidates for thrombolytic in the event of a PE.

    Reteplase

    Reteplase has not been labeled by the FDA for any indication except acute MI, but it is widely used for acute deep vein thrombosis and pulmonary embolism. The dosing used is the same as that approved for patients with acute MI: 2 IV boluses of 10 U each, administered 30 minutes apart.

    Alteplase

    The FDA-approved regimen for pulmonary thromboembolism is 100 mg as a continuous infusion over 2 hours.

    First 15-mg bolus followed by 85 mg over a 2-hour infusion. Heparin drip must be discontinued during alteplase infusion.

    Some centers prefer to use front-loaded regimens that appear to be faster acting, safer, and more efficacious than the 2-hour infusion. A commonly used accelerated regimen is 15 mg tPA as an initial IV bolus, followed by 50 mg over the next 30 minutes and another 35 mg over the next hour. For small patients, a weight-adjusted regimen is used: 0.2 mg/kg bolus, 0.7 mg/kg over the first 30 minutes, and 0.5 mg/kg over the subsequent hour.

    Urokinase

    The FDA-approved regimen is 4400 U/kg as a loading dose over 10 min, followed by a drip of 4400 U/kg/h for 12-24 h or until resolution of thromboembolus can be demonstrated.

    A newer regimen that has gained favor is 3 million U of urokinase given over 2 hours, with the first 1 million U given as a loading dose over 10 minutes. This regimen appears to be equal in safety and efficacy to the accelerated treatment regimens used with tPA, and the 2-hour regimen is preferred to a prolonged infusion for many reasons. Patients should be pretreated with 1500 mg of acetaminophen to prevent rigors during the infusion.

    Streptokinase

    The FDA-approved regimen for pulmonary embolism is 1 million U infused over 24 hour.

    THROMBOLYTIC THERAPY FOR DEEP VEIN THROMBOSIS

    Reteplase

    For lysis of venous thrombus, a catheter-directed infusion of 1.0 U/h is maintained for 18-36 hours.

    Alteplase

    For lysis of venous thrombus, a 5-mg bolus is delivered directly into the clot, followed by a catheter-directed infusion of 1.0 mg/h for 12-24 hours.

    Urokinase

    The usual systemic dose for deep venous thrombosis is 4400 U/kg as an IV bolus, followed by a maintenance drip of 4400 U/kg/h. The drip is continued for 1-3 days, until clinical or laboratory investigations demonstrate thrombus resolution. When available, intrathrombus delivery of urokinase can avoid a systemic lytic state. The dose for this route of administration is 500 U/kg/h. If clot lysis is inadequate, the infusion rate can be increased gradually up to 2000 U/kg/h.

    Streptokinase

    The usual dose regimen for deep venous thrombosis is an IV bolus of 250,000 U followed by a maintenance drip at 100,000 U/h. The drip is continued for 1-3 days, until clinical or laboratory investigation shows thrombus resolution.

    THROMBOLYTIC THERAPY FOR BLOCKED CATHETERS

    Reteplase

    For lysis of catheter-associated thrombus and fibrin sheaths, an infusion of 1 U/h is maintained for 3 hours.

    Alteplase

    A solution of 1 mg/mL of reteplase is instilled in a volume sufficient to fill the cannula and is allowed to dwell for up to 4 hours. If the catheter flows forward freely but is obstructed for withdrawal, pericatheter thrombus or fibrin sleeve is lysed using an infusion through the catheter of 1 mg/h for 3 hours.

    Urokinase

    The dose of urokinase for catheter clearance is 1 mL of urokinase that has been diluted to 5000 U/mL. From this 1 mL of diluted urokinase, the amount needed to fill the catheter volume is injected into the blocked catheter.

    Streptokinase

    Slowly instill 250,000 U of streptokinase in 2 mL of solution into each occluded limb of the cannula. Clamp off the cannula limb(s) for 2 hours, and after treatment aspirate the contents of the cannula limb(s), flush with saline, and reconnect the cannula.

    THROMBOLYTIC THERAPY FOR ACUTE ISCHEMIC STROKE

    Alteplase

    Alteplase is the only drug that has been studied and approved by the FDA for use in acute ischemic stroke with well-established time of symptom onset ( < 3 h). It is likely that other agents (eg, reteplase and tenecteplase) are equally effective and might even offer a reduction in bleeding risk, but the risk-benefit calculation depends so heavily on small differences in bleeding risk that recommending an agent that has not been studied intensively for this indication is impossible. As of today, several clinical trials are running with third-generation thrombolytic drugs in order to evaluate their efficacy and safety in stroke.

    Patient must arrive preferably to an institution with a stroke center. Time of symptom onset must be well established ( <3 h) and presenting with a measurable neurologic deficit. Stroke severity must be assessed with NIH stroke scale (maximum score 42). Patients with a score above 22 are considered high risk for hemorrhagic conversion due to the probability of a large infracted area. Contrary patients with a score less than 4 have only minor neurologic deficits for which thrombolytic therapy is not indicated. High-risk patients often have early CT scan changes showing a large area of edema or mass effect. Despite the increased risk of hemorrhage in patients with a massive stroke, fibrinolysis remains indicated whenever other exclusion criteria are absent, because the potential benefit is tremendous in this population of patients, who almost always have a dismal outcome if therapy is withheld. Inclusion and exclusion criteria must be reviewed before administration of thrombolytic. Be aware ofsubarachnoid hemorrhages that present early without CT scan findings.

    Start 2 peripheral IV lines, one for alteplase infusion and the second one to manage any complication that may occur. The recommended dose of alteplase for acute ischemic stroke is 0.9 mg/kg (maximum of 90 mg) infused over 60 minutes, with 10% of the total dose administered as an initial IV bolus over 1 minute. The patient must be admitted to a critical care area in order to provide frequent neurologic assessments and blood pressure and cardiovascular monitoring. The clinician must be ready to recognize and manage possible complications mentioned below. The effectiveness of thrombolytic therapy in stroke is strictly associated to strict patient selection within the inclusion and exclusion criteria.

    THROMBOLYTIC THERAPY FOR PERIPHERAL ARTERIAL DISEASE

    Low-dose intra-arterial thrombolytic therapy is being used for acute arterial occlusions. Primary fibrinolysis is the initial treatment of choice for many patients with acute peripheral arterial occlusions. The ability to perform catheter-directed fibrinolysis with subsequent angioplasty and stenting has reduced the need for arterial surgery in many settings. Patients with limb-threatening ischemia are not candidates for local fibrinolysis. Usually it takes between 6 and 72 hours to achieve clot lysis. These patients require emergent embolectomy. Local thrombolytic therapy is reserved for patients with non–life-threatening limb ischemia due to in situ thrombosis. Consider that patients with thrombosis for more than 30 days old are not likely to respond to local fibrinolysis.

    Reteplase

    0.5 U/h by intra-arterial infusion

    Alteplase

    Standard regimen: 0.05 to 0.1 mg/kg/h intra-arteriallyHigh-dose regimen: 3 doses of 5.0 mg over 30 min, then 3.5 mg/h for up to 4 h

    Urokinase

    4000 U/min until initial recanalization, then 1000-2000 U/min until complete lysis, all given intra-arterially

    Streptokinase

    5,000-10,000 U/h intra-arterially

    THROMBOLYTIC THERAPY COMPLICATIONS

    The most feared complication of fibrinolysis is intracranial hemorrhage, but serious hemorrhagic complications can occur from bleeding at any site in the body.

    Common hemorrhagic problems seen after thrombolytic therapy include reperfusion arrhythmia, hypertension, gastrointestinal bleeding, retroperitoneal bleeding, pericardial bleeding, genitourinary bleeding, epistaxis, ecchymosis, gingival bleeding, and bleeding from puncture sites. Large hematomas at peripheral arterial puncture sites occasionally can cause a compartment syndrome. Clinicians must be prepared to handle such complications in a timely manner.

    Risk factors for hemorrhagic complications include increasing age, elevated pulse pressure, uncontrolled hypertension, recent stroke, recent injury and recent surgery, the presence of a bleeding diathesis, severe congestive heart failure, and recent vascular puncture.

    Overdoses of fibrinolytic agents can cause severe hemorrhagic complications. Overdose most often occurs when a full dose of a fibrinolytic agent is given to a small patient with a low body weight.

    In patients receiving fibrinolysis for MI, the overall incidence of hemorrhagic complications is about 10%, and the incidence of intracranial hemorrhage is about 0.7%. In patients receiving fibrinolysis for acute stroke, the incidence of intracranial hemorrhage is higher.

    Patients receiving thrombolytic therapy for acute ischemic stroke must have constant neurologic and cardiovascular reevaluation. Blood pressure checks must be every 15 minutes for 2 hours, then every 30 minutes for 6 hours and finally every hour for 16 hours. Strict blood pressure monitoring is essential during and after thrombolytic treatment in order to prevent complications. If a patient has signs of neurologic deterioration, stop thrombolytic therapy and obtain an emergent CT scan. Consider immediate expert consultation.

    If a patient treated with fibrinolytic medications develops serious bleeding complications, the first step is cessation of the fibrinolytic agent and cessation of any anticoagulation therapy. Supportive therapy should be instituted. This often includes volume repletion and transfusion of blood factors. When possible, direct pressure should be used to control bleeding. If the patient has also been receiving heparin, protamine sulfate may be used to reverse the heparin effect.

    Aminocaproic acid (Amicar) is a specific antidote to fibrinolytic agents. In adults, 4-5 g of aminocaproic acid is administered IV over the first hour, then a continuous infusion of 1 g/h is given for 8 hours or until the bleeding is controlled. Fresh frozen plasma and/or cryoprecipitate may be used to replenish fibrin and clotting factors.

    Aminocaproic acid should not be given unless hemorrhage is life threatening, because it inhibits intrinsic fibrinolytic activity and can precipitate runaway thrombosis with end-organ damage at many sites. The drug worsens disseminated intravascular coagulation, including that associated with heparin-induced thrombocytopenia.

    THROMBOLYTIC THERAPY IN CARDIAC ARREST

    Recently, several articles have presented thrombolytic therapy as a potential beneficial drug during cardiac arrest. Some clinical trials found no benefit to give fibrinolytic drugs during cardiac arrest.

    Several reports of adult patients have documented successful resuscitation after thrombolytic administration during cardiac arrest. In most case reports, acute pulmonary embolism was the suspected cause; these patients failed initially to standard CPR Guidelines and ACLS protocols. Today, evidence to support the routine use of thrombolytic drugs during cardiac arrest is not sufficient. The clinician may consider it on a case-by-case basis. Active CPR is clearly not a contraindication for thrombolytic therapy. It is highly probable that in the future thrombolytic therapy during cardiac arrest might be considered beneficial.

    OUT-OF-HOSPITAL THROMBOLYTIC THERAPY

    As of today, prehospital 12-lead ECG programs have been recommended for urban and rural EMS systems. Medical literature still supports this recommendation because of its benefits in early diagnosis and earlier treatment. Several studies have documented the ability for trained prehospital professionals to adequately acquire STEMI with 12-lead ECGs. Paramedics can provide advance notification to the receiving facility when they encounter an acute coronary syndrome, being able to provide a 12-lead ECG of such patients allows the institution to prepare for reperfusion strategies. It is also recommended that EMS personnel start screening for possible thrombolytic therapy in patients who may be having a STEMI in order to further decrease the time for reperfusion.

    For some years, controversy has existed regarding the administration of thrombolytic drugs in the prehospital setting. Previously, out-of-hospital fibrinolysis was recommended when patient transport time was more than 1 hour. However, today several studies and clinical trails have demonstrated contrary. Out-of-hospital fibrinolysis is safe and reasonable. It can be performed by skilled, trained paramedics, nurses, or physicians under strict protocols. For EMS systems to implement out-of-hospital thrombolytic programs, several quality standards are required. Protocols must include thrombolytic checklists, 12-lead ECG interpretation and transmission, ACLS-trained personnel, and medical direction must be available at all times. These programs should have an adequate quality evaluation process to evaluate efficacy and safety. [/font:c1a2d5197e]

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  2. "GAMedic,"

    I never said you insulted me, this is what was said:

    For you to continue to make new threads and suggest that we here aren't doing anything or enough on the various issues you have raised here is well frankly INSULTING!! Insulting to those of my respected, peers, and colleagues here who have endeavored tirelessly both here and in may other facets of their being to improve us as clinicians and the profession, than to have people like you live in continued ignorance and blatantly ignoring the facts to the contrary which so obviously stare you in the face!!!

    It would be wise of you to visit the links and read the material there.

    ACE

  3. "Pepper,"

    Examples are as follows..

    http://www.emtcity.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2851

    http://www.mass.gov/dph/oems/memos/treatrelease.pdf

    http://www.emtcity.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3560

    http://www.emtcity.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2342

    http://www.emtcity.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1871

    http://www.emtcity.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2910

    http://www.emtcity.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1533

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.f...p;dopt=Abstract

    http://www.jems.com/news/102474/

    http://www.mass.gov/dph/oems/admin/ar_5_610.doc

    [quote=Consent, Emergency Medicine - Legal Aspects Of Emergency Medicine

    Last Updated: April 25, 2005, Author: Ernest L Yeh, MD , Assistant Professor in Emergency Medicine, Department of Emergency Medicine, Temple University Hospital

    Coauthor(s): Glenn Freas, MD , Consulting Staff, Department of Emergency Medicine, Virtua Memorial Hospital Burlington County

    Ernest L Yeh, MD, is a member of the following medical societies: American Academy of Emergency Medicine, National Association of EMS Physicians, and Society for Academic Emergency Medicine

    Editor(s): Lance W Kreplick, MD, MMM , Medical Director, Department of Emergency Medicine, Regional Medical Center - Bayonet Point; Francisco Talavera, PharmD, PhD , Senior Pharmacy Editor, eMedicine; Matthew M Rice, MD, JD , Vice President, Chief Medical Officer, Northwest Emergency Physicians, Assistant Clinical Professor of Medicine, University of Washington at Seattle; Assistant Clinical Professor, Uniformed Services University of Health Sciences; John Halamka, MD , Chief Information Officer, CareGroup Healthcare System, Assistant Professor of Medicine, Department of Emergency Medicine, Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center; Assistant Professor of Medicine, Harvard Medical School; and Barry Brenner, MD, PhD, FACEP , Professor of Emergency Medicine, Professor of Internal Medicine, and Professor of Anatomy and Neurobiology, Chairman, Department of Emergency Medicine, University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences]

    INFORMED CONSENT

    The issue of informed consent is of great concern in emergency care. Several ethical and legal principles define the parameters of informed consent. The concept of autonomy provides the basis for informed consent as well as the basis for refusal of medical treatment. Although autonomy is an ethical concept, it also is one of the foundations of various legal principles including self-governance, liberty, rights, privacy, and individual choice.

    US Supreme Court Justice Benjamin Cardozo stated, "Every human being of adult years and sound mind has a right to determine what shall be done with his own body."

    The physician-patient relationship is a dynamic interaction. Traditionally, physicians paternalistically administered those treatments they considered best for patients. Historically, a patient could consent to treatment simply by lack of objections. The current interpretation of consent has evolved to require a more active role on behalf of the patient. The physician must disclose risks, benefits, and alternative treatments to the patient. Informed consent requires a competent patient who makes a voluntary decision based upon adequate information.

    For excellent patient education resources, visit eMedicine's Public Health Center and Senior Health Center . Also, see eMedicine's patient education articles Informed Consent, Patient Rights, and End-of-Life Decision Making .

    PATIENT COMPETENCY AND ISSUES INVOLVING MINORS

    To obtain consent, the patient must be clinically and legally competent. In most states, the legal age of consent for medical treatment is 18 years. Parents or legal guardians normally are required to consent for the medical treatment of minors, although a few exceptions exist as follows:

    The Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA) requires hospitals to provide an adequate medical screening examination to anyone (including minors) who presents to the ED, even if appropriate consent cannot be obtained. If no immediately life-threatening condition is identified, institute procedures to obtain consent for treatment.

    In many states, marriage or pregnancy often confers an emancipated status to minors, who then can consent to procedures and treatments.

    In the interest of a greater societal good, various conditions exist (depending upon the state) for which minors can consent to treatment. These conditions include treatment for (1) sexually transmitted diseases, (2) alcohol or drug abuse, (3) domestic or sexual abuse, and (4) mental health issues.

    Minor parents of children also can consent to treatment for their children and themselves.

    Additionally, mature minors (ie, close to age of maturity) can consent, at times, to less invasive or less risky procedures if the physician feels the patient understands the concepts of consent.

    Clinical competency can be defined as the ability to comprehend and rationally act upon information provided by a healthcare professional. Intoxication and active psychosis affect an individual's ability to give adequate consent. Carefully examine the patient's mental status and reasoning ability when trying to obtain consent. Furthermore, common law or other statutes may govern which patients can consent legally.

    In addition to determining the patient's competency to consent to medical treatment, the physician must impart the appropriate information to obtain consent. In some states, the standard of disclosure is defined as what a reasonable physician in a similar situation would disclose; other states require disclosure of the risks and alternative treatment options that a reasonable patient would want to know before consenting to a proposed therapy. In some circumstances, physicians may invoke therapeutic privilege and do not have to disclose extremely rare risks or complications that, if disclosed to the patient, may unreasonably prejudice the patient's decision.

    TYPES OF CONSENT

    Distinctions are made among various types of consent.

    General consent

    When patients present to the ED, they typically sign a general consent during the registration process. General consent indicates that the patients are willing to undergo basic evaluation and treatment. Controversy exists regarding the definition of basic treatment. Few argue that taking vital signs or performing a routine physical examination requires the physician to obtain further consent from the patient.

    Nonemergent specific consent

    Obtain a more nonemergent specific consent for procedures and treatments that may be more invasive (eg, chest tube placement), have more risks (eg, conscious sedation vs general anesthesia), or may be considered experimental.

    Ideally, physician-patient discussion should be witnessed and written documentation of consent obtained. Discussion should include the following:

    Specifics of the procedure (ie, why it is being performed, how it is performed)

    Risks and benefits

    Any alternative treatments

    Risks of refusing the procedure

    Emergency consent

    In an emergency, attempt to obtain informed consent from the patient or from an appropriate surrogate decision maker. In certain situations, emergency consent is implied. In these instances, normal consent standards are not followed because immediate treatment may be required even before an opportunity to obtain consent is available. The assumption is made that the average, reasonable, competent patient would agree to standard treatment in an emergency if able to consent. An example of such a situation is a patient who suffered a pneumothorax and, as a result of decompensating vital signs, is unresponsive and unable to give consent. In the best interest of the patient, the physician should proceed with a tube thoracostomy rather than try to obtain consent.

    Caveat to consent issues

    Emergency or implied consent cannot always be applied simply because a patient presents to the ED. If a patient's condition is not immediately life threatening, consent must be obtained from the patient or the appropriate surrogate. For example, a patient who presents to the ED with an acute-onset headache and requires a workup for a possible subarachnoid hemorrhage does not automatically consent to a lumbar puncture simply because she or he is in the ED. If the patient is of sound mind and judgment and refuses to consent to the procedure, the physician cannot apply emergency consent and may not proceed.

    REFUSAL OF TREATMENT

    The US Supreme Court has recognized that a "person has a constitutionally protected liberty interest in refusing unwanted medical treatment" even if refusal could result in death. The prudent physician tries to explore the reasons for refusing therapy. If the patient continues to decline treatment, document this discussion and refusal. This can be done on a "discharge against medical advice" form.

    Although courts protect a patient's rights to refuse care, "preservation of life, prevention of suicide, maintenance of the ethical integrity of the medical profession, and protection of innocent third parties" also may be considered when evaluating a patient's wish to refuse treatment. Each case must be examined individually.

    In discussions concerning the refusal of appropriate treatment, inform the patient of possible adverse outcomes resulting from inadequate treatment. Provide information regarding available treatment even to patients with terminal diseases who have advanced directives. Patients frequently reconsider treatment when informed of the possibility of disability or death. Additionally, patients often refuse to consent simply because they do not understand the proposed therapy completely. Encourage patients who refuse care to return should they change their minds.

    If a parent's refusal of treatment seriously jeopardizes a child's well-being, physicians may consider taking temporary protective custody under child abuse laws, which vary from state to state. In general, parents cannot refuse life-saving therapy on religious or other grounds. Courts previously have decided in favor of the physician treating the minor. Time permitting, whenever needed medical care for a minor is refused, the responsible provider and institution should seek assistance from appropriate court authorities and ethics committees.

    CONCLUSION

    In providing medical care, the universal goal is to act in the best interest of the patient. A patient's best interest may be served by providing leading-edge medical treatment, or it may be served simply by honoring a patient's refusal of care. This goal is based on the principle of autonomy, which allows patients to decide what is best for them. Although complicated issues can arise when physicians and patients disagree, the best policy is to provide adequate information to the patient, allow time for ample discussion, and document the medical record meticulously. BIBLIOGRAPHY Section 7 of 7 Prev Top

    Author Information Informed Consent Patient Competency And Issues Involving Minors Types Of Consent Refusal Of Treatment Conclusion Bibliography

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    Garwin M: The duty to care--the right to refuse. Changing roles of patients and physicians in end-of-life decision making. J Leg Med 1998 Mar; 19(1): 99-125 [Medline] .

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    Siegel DM: Consent and refusal of treatment. Emerg Med Clin North Am 1993 Nov; 11(4): 833-40 [Medline]

  4. "GaMedic, & Everyone,"

    Good Morning. You know I have a long response to your post and points here so I will break it up into to parts here is the first. These two posters here and many others have a lot to contribute and have done a lot as far as providing solutions and advocacy in EMS and it’s improvement. Others are “PRPG, DUST, Ditchdoc, WPM, Ruff, scarmedic, paramedicmike, asys, medicccjh, medic001918, richmondmedic, dwayne, and many others who I may not have mentioned, etc..” To not see their contribution here and I am quite sure else where in the professional community which I am at this time unaware of borders on professional heresy. I will try to bring some of their work and statements alive again below for the newer people like you “GA,” who obviously have missed it and thus have been deprived of the presence of greatness. For you to continue to make new threads and suggest that we here aren't doing anything or enough on the various issues you have raised here is well frankly INSULTING!! Insulting to those of my respected, peers, and colleagues here who have endeavored tirelessly both here and in may other facets of their being to improve us as clinicians and the profession, than to have people like you live in continued ignorance and blatantly ignoring the facts to the contrary which so obviously stare you in the face!!! Below and in follow up posts will be my polite attempt to educate you, and make you publicly aware of this fact.

    Below are two well stated posts and which make very eloquent points simply:

    I too feel it is time we get off our lazy butts... I do believe we have the highest percentage of whiners possible. Let's compare with others...

    Fire Departments: Have unionization, benefits, and heck even when they back into the F.D. station house with a patient on-board.. they support each other.

    Police/LEO: Want to see some organized guys? This is who we need to follow... yeah, they fight amongst each other, but they know how to combine thoughts, professionalism, and education.... look at their lobbyist and they have yet lost any funding bills.... hmm maybe we should take notes?

    Nurses... OMG, talk about a sisterhood... they may fight amongst each other, but YOU better not put one down!... As well, they have increased their level from OJT to Doctoral level. Look at the Surgeon General, he was a former Paramedic, RN and Trauma Surgeon. He still write his title RN, M.D., FACOS.. very proud of his history.

    We do not need to re-invent the wheel. Let us take notes of other success and failures, but there is one thing you have to do .. medics have to get off their butts, and take action!. The other agencies DID something other than moan and whine...!

    Don't like the pay..the working hours, the patient load, the type of patients, the benefits, the education level?

    Truthfully, what have you done personally done to change it?

    uh-huh.. Should we be proud of you ?

    Actually reading all the posts is quite humorous... the fact is we are missing the whole point. Others are trying to point it out to us, other professions have started and we as usual follow behind......

    that is ................

    Prevention is the key.

    If we were truly professional, educated, and really even caring we would do more on prevention medicine.

    We would work closely with MADD, seat belt enforcement, fall prevention and home safety groups. Other professional groups have made that move. Did you report or make notes on how safe or un safe the house was, on your last call? Did you remove that slip rug? Did you contact the social worker to notify that grandma had fallen twice this week and needs rails in her bath tub?... What else could you had done..? Do you feel bad, after the third time you have to respond on someone due to extreme heat, poor living condition, the child that was ejected from not being restrained?

    Are we really wrapped up so much into our profession or is it insecure that we actually believe it is someone else's job? By punting it off to someone else ... how professional is this... how lazy would you consider a health care professional to turn an eye to to a hazard? Would you have the same opinion of a firefighter that seen frayed electric cords, later to work a structure fire, caused by that electrical short?

    All that was stated in other posts are good points.. but, that is still treating the symptoms not etiology. There will continue to be enough idiots, that consume the wrong food, have a sedentary life style, causes incidences that harm themselves and others.. by performing prevention we will not stop our career or run volume, just enhance it!.

    R/r 911

    By all means, if we gripe now and then, we didn't mean to offend thou, GAmedic.

    Now: I'm not saying that there's nothing out there that EMS wants to change. But try this on for size. Out of any person regularly active on this site, with a few exceptions, we're all in EMS to make changes for the better. We're not here to tell you your ideas are crappy, or awesome. We're not here to be criticized of every shortcoming that EMS may face. We're not here to be complacent. We're not here to bash other people, especially those outside of our 'community'. We're here because we want to. Because, perhaps, many want to improve themselves, and the others wish to help that. We're here because we want to know more. We want to do more. We want to be better. I can only think of a very small number of people who came here to be lazy and complacent. And, usually, they shape up, or ship out. [i really just wanted to use that phrase today...Day's complete.] Like many have stated: "Preaching to the choir". And, just because we don't all jump on your bandwagon, go door to door with AED's, sterilize everything in an ambulance and give activated charcoal to everyone who has ingested anything not certified organic, does not mean you have bad ideas, or mean that the viewers here at The City are bad, either. Regardless of how you decide to call us lazy, scared, or indifferent [Note how "Dedicated, but preoccupied" wasn't a choice in the topic.]

    You are a crusader, GA. Go for it. Just remember a few things: Recognize what you can fix. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Only fix what you can fix. And don't step on the toes of those whose support you'll require to get the rest of those tasks done.

    We're not lazy, we're not scared, and we're not indifferent.

    Alright, lets get it on!

    We've covered the lists of what needs to get done several times while I've been active on these forums [education, lobbying, money, jobs, etc] and haven't seen huge changes yet, although have had good ideas to bring back to my own services.

    Now, in an attempt to stop being a cynical bastard - and stop with excuses, lets look at some reasoning:

    FD's - Federal level seating. Lobbying. Money. Every community needs one. Looks pretty set to me.

    Police: Everyone needs one, educated, responsible, lobbyists and funding.

    Nurses: They just make money hand over fist. [Just kidding.] Many years in with doctors, hospitals, and the health field DEPENDS on them. Hands down.

    EMS: People state they're 'just as good going in taxi's'. Research shows trauma patients have better survival rates brought in POV. some towns have multiple providers all fishing and scrounging for calls. We're all famailiar with the average pay, benefits, employers, etc. We're dispensible. Many companies go hospital to hospital begging for calls, bearing gifts and presents [mmm...doughnuts..., etc.]

    Now, EMS, where do we start? From the bottom up? Educating people of our abilities. Educating ourselves. Take private EMS out of 911? Or from the top down? Throw money at the problem, and it will all fix itself?

    As of yet, I've not had the ability to try to help EMS from the top down, but from the bottom, we all have our duties. Honestly, I do not have the answers. I'm not smart enough for that. Have suggestions? I'll follow them. I do not mean to be part of our problem. We're too busy fighting with ourselves

    And GA: regarding 12 leads, pulse oxymetry, computers, intubation, medications, and anything else we've gotten in the past 40 years. It took just that. 40 years. EMS has rarely ever gotten anything 'overnight'. In fear of sounding redundant, you may not be the first to think of such great, or not so great, ideas. "Search" works wonders.

    Okay, now we're getting places.

    Working 2 jobs - not many aren't guilty. Some depend on it, no? It's a tough situation because it hits the employees where the emplyoers don't want to be hit - the wallet. I'm all for it [Hell, I'll stock shelves as a second job for a while], but we need something larger scale. We don't even have a single EMS Union or federal unit yet, as discussed several times before.

    EMS is too cut-throat - We needn't be every person for themselves.

    If ambulance got more expensive, sure, they'd still get bought...eventually. There are too many excuses out there for companies to blind employees with to keep them from sharing money. Excuses from my current company on why we can't get adequate supplies: We lost a share of a tertiary hospital's discharges, fuel, STATE WORKER'S COMP is too high, they pay too much in benefits, the main station just spent XXX dollars, and there's nothing left. It's all a crock. That's just for what's needed on trucks. [shady, I know.]

    EMS Employers [again, not all, but quite a few] know EMT's and Medics are dispensible.

    2 - I like the plan, but it's probably not doable in many situations. I'm sure companies would lose track of that sort of thing. I absolutly am thrilled with the idea, however. I think profit sharing is a great idea. Smaller companies who just listen to employees is an even better start.

    I mean, how far is too far? Is it considered professional to bring legal action against your employer who may not be paying in accordance with Federal Law? Is that a start?

    In what I've seen, it's still too easy to identify one troublemaker and make an example out of them.

    We need bigger numbers.

    Most of you think I am being a PITA when I continuously suggest a search, and “GAmedic, & others,” The reason I do so is because some of those posts you will find contain some of the most intelligent, insightful statements that I have had the pleasure to read. They contain outstanding proposals and solutions to the problems you are ‘posting’ about.

    Also, finding these threads and reading them will give you the opportunity to perhaps be exposed to I have to many people who post here who I have come to respect greatly and see as a greatly underutilized resource among our professional peers. Below are just a few of these..

    Advocacy threads:

    Increasing Education from a perspective of system management

    Formation of a new EMS political action group

    How To Lobby Effectively

    Detroit Screws Up Again, Kills Another Person

    I can do that !. & you thought some of us were crazy !

    A Total Restructuring of EMS as a Profession

    Letter to Congress in regards to New EMS Adminstration

    52 Precepts EMS Students and Providers Should Consider

    Medical legal loophole!?!?!?

    Personal responsibility:

    Whose responsible in your opinion foryour pre-hospital care

    Others:

    Ruff's list of do not touch topics not to post on EMT CIty

    Is EMS definative care?

    The final US NationalScope of Practice model/Draft..

    EMT (B, I, & P) - Vocation or Profession?

    Economic Value of Out-of-Hospital Emergency Care: A Structur

    "First Responders" on Ambulances

    THE DECLINE OF THE NATIONAL

    EMT BASIC Education

    getting experience first

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    "druidman227,"

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    http://www.emtcity.com/phpBB2/siterules.php”]Please take note of the area that mentions just how good a friend Google can be to you, and notice that in the upper Right hand corner of your screen is the 'SEARCH' button...18.gif

    Please try to do some basic research before posting. Most fundamental questions have already been discussed multiple times on this site. Take a moment to use the "Search" function on this site to find previous discussions regarding your topic before starting a new topic.

    Also, remember, www.Google.com is your friend! Many simple questions can be answered much more quickly on Google than by waiting for people to find, read, and then reply to your topic.

    Read the entire topic before you reply. Chances are, somebody has already said the same thing you are about to say. If so, your input is probably no longer needed.

    Do not hijack topics. Discussions should remain focused on the original poster's intended topic. If a separate topic or concern arises during the course of discussion, post that topic or concern in a new topic rather than sidetracking the original discussion.

    Don't revive old, outdated topics unless you have something significant to add. If a topic has not been replied to in two or three months, it is probably because there is nothing left to add.

    Choose a subject that describes your topic. When starting a new topic, it is important that you choose a subject title that accurately reflects the content of the thread. Do not make people guess what is in your topic. Threads posted with teaser titles like, "Guess what!," "I need help!," "What do you think?," "What would you do?," "What should be done?" or simply "Question!" will be deleted with extreme prejudice.

    Give reasonable attention to your grammar. Although we want to maintain a casual atmosphere here, this is ultimately a PROFESSIONAL forum where members of the public are free to read and draw conclusions about us as a profession. There is an automatic spell checker provided on this forum. Please use it. Do not post messages that appear as if they were taken from a 13 year old girl's AOL chat. "You" is spelled YOU, not "u." "Whatever" is spelled WHATEVER, not "w/e." And punctuation is extremely important to those trying to understand your statements. If you are too pressed for time to type legibly and using punctuation and capitalization, then please come back later when you have more time. AND NEVER POST IN ALL CAPITAL LETTERS!

    Edit the quotes in your replies. Don't re-quote the entire message of the post you are replying to. Either edit it down to only the relevant statement you are responding to, or delete the quotes altogether. If you don't know how to edit quotes, ask someone for help.

    Do not post the same topic on several forums. Pick the most appropriate forum for your topic and post it there. Do not open the same discussion in multiple forums or threads. If you believe that your topic is so universally important that it needs to be in more than one forum, contact a moderator for assistance.

    Do not "bump" your topic. Replying to your own topic to get it to the top is annoying. Try to have some patience; this is a bulletin board, not IRC. It may take some time (e.g., one or two days) before someone can answer your query or question.

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    This topic has been discussed and i would suggest to you that you browse the 'threads' on Lights and sirens use here. There was another similar thread to this although I can't seem to find the link currently, perhaps on of my respected colleagues could post it?

    Best of Luck,

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  6. This sounds remarkably like an extension of this:: http://www.ami.com.au/~bradw/cos/Sounds/index.html

    Ah, but, it believes only one thing: 'I am fixed in space by an exterior determinism'. Now remember that, that is real important in the subject of exteriorisation. And this Thetan is surrounded entiry by this compelete belief that something else is fixing everything else in space, although he can't find any source of it, so he invents God.

    Now the MEST universe is all very well but it's all illusion. Well, one doesn't want an illusion, so he can't have an illusion. And when he was very young, why, Christ was all right, he was very friendly, as a matter of fact, and so on. But that's mostly - people, you know, they have to believe in that sort of thing. And they did once, but it requires nothing but faith and, of course, they can't have any faith anymore and they did have hopes on that once in a while, but actually religion doesn't lead anybody any place in the final analysis because you never get your wish anyway so, of course, one can't survive on the basis of spirits and religion, and so forth.

    So that leaves just, of course, God. "And, of course, God naturally exists because there is all this space around and this space is obviously surviving so, of course, it's obviously surviving. Of course, the space itself is liable to collapse. But the prime mover unmoved is not liable to collapse because he created all this, and maybe he can't either." And nobody yet has come up with as flat a "can't survive" as "God will never again be able to create another MEST universe." But if we mentioned it, brother, it'd be out on the streets.

  7. Dispatch doesn't know bupkiss from thier heated-AC office which is located about as far as is safe for them which is not at the scene. So scene safety, size up, and what is the scope of practice and resources responding and available also at what intervals?

    ACE

  8. Everything you'all say is true, but that doesnt mean we cant or shouldnt try to change it. Forty years ago, an ambulance was little more than two guys and a hearse. I imagine if you told those "ambulance attendants" that one day we would intubate and administer medications, would have computers on trucks, have cardiac monitors, 12-lead, and pulse-oximetry, they would have laughed in your face. If we wanted to, we could make big changes in the EMS Industry, but it is easier to gripe about problems than it is to fix the problems.

    Please refer yourself to ALL the other posts, this was adressed, also kindly read 'the white' papers from California, and you'll see that this was not necessarily the case.

    ACE

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