RatPack

Arrogance and incompetence are a dangerous combination in this field.

Ya what he said

Sorry did I miss something, you stated this was a productive discussion. Absoulutes in EMS are rare. Decisions are made on a case by case basis. If it benefits the patient for a family member to ride in the patient compartment they do, child or senile adult. We have seat belts there too. There is alot more gray then black and white in EMS, your decisions should reflect that. As far as making decisions on the fear of litigation. I dont. I base decisions on what is in the best intrest of my patients.

Well you told us....

Pt is lethargic. He goes. Just because he has a pre-existing medical issue and is a hospice pt. doesn't exclude him from treatment or the fact that some other entirely different issue has arisen. Like stated before. Did he want to go? I dont understand the hospice stance. He will lose hospice care. For what? Seeking medical treatment? Another angle, if he/they didn't want him to go why did they call? Just curious.

Easy.... Your missing the point. Review my posts. I fully understand the OSHA guidelines. I understand this is a violation, I stated that in my first post. That wasn't my question. It was stated that this could be cause for fines or revocation of ones certification. I simply asked if you had a documented case where this was the outcome. Where a provider was fined or their certification revoked for eating in the pt compartment.

I believe it has an 8 hour window also.

I understand this is an OSHA violation. I'm not arguing that point. It was stated that fines could be levied against a provider and certifications could be lost. I was just looking for an example of a case in which it happened, where food being in the pt. compartment was the cause of a fine or loss of certification. These articles dont address that.

The American Heart Association recommends a renewal date. It is not mandated. However my employer mandates renewal every two years

Just sad. Especially if true, the guard who sat idly by his car waiting the arrival of paramedics.

Please could you refrence a case in which a certification was lost for food in the pt compartment.

Fair enough.

Lose your certification? This is an OSHA violation, not an OEMS violation.

The best system is one that professionally and competently services the needs of their community.

Come on a 26,000lb truck flying down the road for no intended purpose. Whats the problem?