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Yes. We have guys that come and work out early too. If I'm on the treadmill and the ambo goes out when im there early ill jump on.

Hear that, are turn is at 0500 hrs, because of traffic issues, but probies must be there around 0400 and strat coffee.

Does anyone work for a native american agency?, and if so what is the pay and benifits like?

It's not a paramedic program. It's a firemedic program.

What are talking about, it's just a paramedic progarma academy nothing to do with fire, maybe they just want to elminate fat medics who knows.

Depends where you go, Riverside comm college has a paramedic program with some pt, and if you can't pt your out.

You have no soul and no professionalism. You don't care about medicine. Why are you here?

What you don't have any bills, or do you still live at home with mom and dad, look buddy I have a car payment , wife/kid and girlfriend on the side and guess what it all cost money.

This is real fire based ems at it's finest 46, this is why these guys make $$$, and have a great pension.

So, according to your numbers, FD's only respond to 20% fire calls. Just because CA just stabilizes and transports does not mean the rest of the Country does EMS this way. We have tried, to obviously no avail, to explain to you that CA does EMS poorly. Do not judge my chosen profession by the way CA does it.

I have never had any desire to be a fireman and still don't. I don't care if thousands of out of State applicants apply to your dept. The issue is and always will be EMS is a way for more knuckle draggers to get on to a FD. EMS should be seperate from the FD. Since you say 80% of your FD calls are EMS related, shouldn't EMS be making your 150,000 per annum and the FD considerably less?

The first line in your comment would be comical if it wasn't so very disturbing at the same time. You just don't get it. It is ALL about patient care! Not just to some extent!

Oh, and I fixed your quote. See if you can spot the changes.

I don't get it what is the rest of the country doing that is so amazing are they eliminating medical directors and making up their own protocols?, are they taking x-rays in the field, are they drawing labs and have the values ready when they hit the er door? are they casting broken limbs with in the field or perscribing meds?, what is it that is so better? Yeah come on patient care is noble and all, but people really do this for the money, you got to pay bills thats all Iam saying, but the other thing that gets me is when all this change is going to come about, I just don't see it happing like a two year degree min. for $12.00 an hour who is going to do that when you can get an RN two year degree and make so much more. and why should we in fire base ems not make the money we do?m we do two jobs, cheaper for the city thats why we wliminated single role paramedics, that model works where I live, maybe not in other places.

You have changed your pay and hours worked way too many times in the various threads and forums for any of your statements to have much credibility. It is not that difficult for anyone to check your base pay on the FD's website.

Well, the base is on LAFS.org, but we have a five year step program 4 years into it myself, and really doesn't cost that much to live in Los Angeles with the housing market the way it is, infact my mortgae has about 6 years left and then I'll sell when the markets back up and make more bank lol, but really it's a sweet gig out here even though were not progressive to so many, I say make all you can until it's gets progressive and things change, but waite it's been 30 plus years and thing are the same, guess I'll just make as much as I can.

I know you have read my posts about how and why other professions have advanced their education and I am really puzzled that you claim to be pro EMS as a FF but can not seem to see them as medical professionals. If you do not want to advance with EMS then you really should consider if you only got the Paramedic patch for a few extra dollars from the FD for your pension and not for the patient care aspect of the job. Your posts lately have only been about what the job can do for your bank account and not what you can do for the patient. Even when you were talking about getting a degree as an RN or RRT in other threads, you mentioned very little about the job or the patient care aspect. Neither you or Diazepam618 are a credit to Fire Based EMS when you fail to realize there is a patient involved.

Has anyone been watching First In, great show real hero's to say the least.

If you want to make some $$$$, get your RN, if you want to be a hero get into medic school as fast as you can so the FD can pick you, but if you want to make peanuts be a private medic.

Yeah but the question is How many HOURS A week do you have to work to do that??? not just 40 for sure!!

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Well my regular work hours are about 10 twenty-four hours shifts a month a couple of overtime shits maybe three a month and Iam at over 100k ayear with about 17 days off a month.

Lacking national standards makes us look like even more of a joke to insurance which keeps reimbursement low and our pay low.

What low pay?, I make over 100k a year.

At my station we drill, drill and drill, and run calls in between drills.

1. You can't keep your story straight. That's not what you just said.

2. The B key is nowhere near the R key

3. There are standards in EMS. Maybe you should learn about them.

LOL, my bad butter fingers I say, but what kind of standard is there, I mean some places you get a two year degree in ems, and others you take an eight month to a year long votech class, some places require the NR and others don't. For most fire gigs where I work all you need is the state level license to be considered for a postion, So what is the standard? if you apply for a RN gig the min standard is a two year degree, we in ems have no standard not even a min with the NR. Frankly I think the NR is a joke and a scam, if it wern't so why wouldn't all states require it and all employer require that you have to maintain it?

Try getting some experience first

Why?, go to medic school as soon as you can Freeman.

It's not just a big scam. We make our people keep NR because NR has a higher CE standard than the state.

I guess I'm not surprised when you say that the fire guys are the ones dumping NR.

What standart?, there is no standard in ems, and most of the guys I know who let their NB laps are from the private realm.

Redneck cops, nuff said.

You can only hope that they discontinue the NR. it's just a big scam anyways everyone i know doesn't even keep the NR once they get fire gigs.

Well cost is cost, unless you guys can produce some extra dollars your going to have a dead zone on your highway.

Considering that my quote was made in direct response to someone claiming that a valid reason to expect people to show up 2 hours early is because other people want to do it, your refute misses the mark.

Let's see here. Checking out the apparatuses, supplies, restocking (which should really be done by the off going crew to begin with. How about we target the people who are failing in their duties to keep their units properly stocked unless other, official, means are provided (like vehicle service techs for units that post all day)?), and paperwork (why are you doing paperwork first thing in the morning to begin with that isn't related to restocking?) are all things that can easily be accomplished in the course of the normal events of the day. You're just as likely to be interrupted with a call 5 minutes before an hour as 5 minutes after. Preparing for drills? Ok, I can see that, but does it really take everyone showing up 2 hours early to accomplish that? Additionally, showing up at 5 (2 hours early) means getting up in the 3-4am range. Nice way to start screwing with people's circadian rhythm for no better reason than because someone want's to watch People's Court instead of doing their work (like, say, cleaning their unit). Considering that emergency services are already a 24 hour a day, 7 day a week service with ample opportunity to screw with natural cycles and keep people from getting a proper amount and quality of sleep, why make it worse so someone can watch soap operas?

@ hours if pretty common , and if your a "probie" 2 hours is very common, it's mostly tradition, and for 100k plus a year and Eerybody wants your job you better believe people show up and keep to a high stadard, just like these guys in the show they know as soon as their out of the academy they are going to start making some real $$$$$.

You dont need part time work when your making 60,000 plus a year. Our current sch shifted from two ten hour days, two fourteen hour nights, and four off to...

Week 1-mon,tues,fri,sat,sun

week 2-wed,thurs

days or nights

Not bad $$, but the acdemy guys in the OCFA I think make 90k a year without OT.

This is basically how any major cities fire academy works. I wrnt through 7wks of that for the ems side of where I wk.

that's cool did you have to PT, man if medic schools required this kind of pt we would have fat medics around.

Well equipment is just that equipment doesn't make or break a service you buy what you can afford, as for education, well because ems has no standard that is up for grabs, I work for a very large FD in southern California and I do have a paramedic license and use it to my adavantage and make a good penny, as far as medical direction my department has it's own MD, as well as the county of Los Angeles has it's own MD, so lots of oversite, so it when people say LA is all messed up, if that were the case with all our medical direction /commitees and so forth things have not been so drastic in my opinion or those who have the pay grade to make changes if infact change is warranted. HFD is just in my opion probably in the same metropolitan catagory as that and lacks some other form of a higher pay grade to make changes if they are warranted.

has anyone caught the new Fox reality show the Academy about OCFA, wow those guys are tough and I hear they make some great cash too, we should all strive to be like them, I mean look at the dicipline they and commitment they go through, I wish amr was like that.