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I have seen a couple driving course programs and have been fairly impressed, even though I'm not a 12-week medic. The driver training programs as described does seem to go well above and beyond most programs in the states. Is this the standard practice in the UK or just for government run operations?

The two biggest issues, (or at least causes of concern), I would see are:

1) Secondary accidents caused by emergent ambulance training. I don't have statistical data, and any is welcome, but the anecdotal information I have is that for every accident an ambulance is in, it causes ten.

2) Liability (legal and ethical) regarding a fatal accident caused by training. I would think it would be difficult to defend the reasoning for emergent travel as a part of training. There was a point made that the training was done without a patient because then a patient is not endangered. While this is true, it does nothing for the other occupants of the ambulance, other drivers, pedestrians, etc. By that reasoning, wouldn't it make more sense to perform the training during the lowest traffic levels of a day? Or is that already done.

Have either of these conditions existed? And if so, were the driver and trainer defended and recused by laws that have been stated? Did/Would the law protect them in a civil suit?

Edited because I spelled "practice" with an s. Dammit Dust!

I hate quoting myself. I feel like George Castanza.

Brentoli asked very similar questions that from what I can tell have gone unanswered. I'm asking to get further information because, as I'm sure you're well aware, lawsuits are pretty common here. As I understand it, what you are doing would not be legal here. I really don't give a shit if you call them fake runs or emergency responses to a patient yet to be determined, or pre-patient emergency vehicle operation training. But just adding these runs to our systems would do not good, and likely, more harm. Especially considering there is no one form of EMS here. I don't think that anyone, aside from maybe Gift, is saying that the US has a better system. There is a sincere want to improve our EMS system here, but we live in two different cultures so there are additional issues.

These are not loaded questions, just attempts to get a better understanding.

Maybe if we included viagra/cialis in the kit you could give it to them.

It's bad enough the living near-dead have viagra, you don't need the living dead chasing people with mohagany in their shorts. That's just wrong.

The story so far.

Not sure how this is going to shake out, hopefully we won't be losing any jobs over this, but nothing's certain yet.

Well, he is a zombie fighter, you know how they may need anything at a given mom...wait. Zombie fighter?!? Did anyone look at the rest of the website?

Nobody knows the walking dead like Zombie Squad. With one of the toughest training programs in the business, our Zombie Extermination Specialists make up the world's premier non-stationary cadaver suppression task force.

If brains were gasoline, they wouldn't have enough to run a gnat's moped around the inside of a Cherrio? Good for the companies that soaked the money out of this chode.

So would he want to marry his foster mother then?

Thanks Brent.

That is just something to think about.

Reality is... he is elderly and has a distracting injury, story changing - aside, I would still spinal him.

Where did I miss the distracting injury? Not disagreeing w/ the tx, just checking.

As Doc has stated based on the unreliability factor of the pt, [ changing story on remembering the incident]

There would be a grain of salt added to the changing stories part as the change was between two different interviewers. Not discounting it completely, but there's a bit of unreliablility.

There are a few key pieces of info that would make me reconsider, but based on what you've reported, yes.

Are they the ones responsible for the topless news as well or did that go away?

I won't send you a link to the latter, don't want to be acused of spamming the site.

Dammit.

I thought The Sun was a tabloid paper ranked below the National Enquirer, but above the New York Times. Is this a reputable paper?

"Global Thermonuclear War"

Would probably be safer...

Still find it amazing that so few here have shown an interest in this.

I don't.

Any internet forum: "Would you like to discuss abortion?"

=

Joshua(WOPR): "Would you like to play a game?"

I have seen a couple driving course programs and have been fairly impressed, even though I'm not a 12-week medic. The driver training programs as described does seem to go well above and beyond most programs in the states. Is this the standard practice in the UK or just for government run operations?

The two biggest issues, (or at least causes of concern), I would see are:

1) Secondary accidents caused by emergent ambulance training. I don't have statistical data, and any is welcome, but the anecdotal information I have is that for every accident an ambulance is in, it causes ten.

2) Liability (legal and ethical) regarding a fatal accident caused by training. I would think it would be difficult to defend the reasoning for emergent travel as a part of training. There was a point made that the training was done without a patient because then a patient is not endangered. While this is true, it does nothing for the other occupants of the ambulance, other drivers, pedestrians, etc. By that reasoning, wouldn't it make more sense to perform the training during the lowest traffic levels of a day? Or is that already done.

Have either of these conditions existed? And if so, were the driver and trainer defended and recused by laws that have been stated? Did/Would the law protect them in a civil suit?

Edited because I spelled "practice" with an s. Dammit Dust!

And honestly, i can see some type of robot that is very lifelike that is marketed for sex purposes.

Made by the government? I don't think so. They will never get so tired of screwing the taxpayer that they'll need a robot to do it. If anything the pre-addressed envelopes from the IRS will be laced with GHB in the future.

Can you tell it's tax season?

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That's an easy one!

Gregg is a REPUBLICAN! He ASKED for the job. Then, when Osama picked him, calls a press conference to withdraw. Obviously, it was all a Republican dirty trick to embarrass the Osama administration.

Right! And this was only after he had met with Obama and learned their secrets on how they were going to fix the financial crisis. Now he'll sell those secrets to China and be knee deep in used women's underwear! Or is that Japan that has the underwear thing? Anyway, it was a dirty trick that will be taken back to the Extrodinary League of Republicans and will be celebrated in evil maniacal ways.

BTW, nice Freudian slip, Dust. Or was it?

I guess I didn't see the internet as a problem either. :dontknow: Maybe I'm misinterpreting the statement.

I think a few things have been created by the government and brought to the private sector.

To answer the last question only, I think Anthony has a likely "next big thing".

My guess would be mobilized surgical and higher level treatment centers being broght to medically underserved areas. It seems that one of the benifits of the war in Iraq will be the advancements in medical care on the battlefield being broght back to the states. Not that this concept is new, but I think it improve advanced care even more significantly than it already has.

I hope not! I get all my news info from the Onion.

""Unless they were Doogie Howser's cousins, they were 14 - 18 years old. That is old enough to be responsible for your actions. It takes a considerable amount of force to break plate glass. If it was a skywalk, a considerable amount of engineering goes into the design to ensure that they are able to withstand the force of a body falling into it. They most likely were either fighting or screwing around. I will concede that if the skywalk glass was inadequate for design or had deteriorated due to lack of maintainence, then the parents would have a case.""

Does anyone remember the Hyatt Skywalk collapse. All the engineering in the world was set to make the three skywalks safe yet some dumbass substituted 3 inch washers instead of 5 or 6 inch washers. With all that added weight they came tumbling down. About 125 people were killed I think. Can't remember the exact number.

so no matter what amount of engineering goes into something the end result is sometimes not what was intended.

I'll have to look that up tonight.

One purchasing manager can ruin years of design by being cheap. If the incident was caused by a failure of the structure, then the parents would have a case, but it should be against the builders, not the school.

My point is that parents trust their MINORS to the school and that they keep them safe during the school day...they didn't provide a safe environment (glass walkways...seriously?).... same way VT victims parents could sue VT and why there was a settlement.

Unless they were Doogie Howser's cousins, they were 14 - 18 years old. That is old enough to be responsible for your actions. It takes a considerable amount of force to break plate glass. If it was a skywalk, a considerable amount of engineering goes into the design to ensure that they are able to withstand the force of a body falling into it. They most likely were either fighting or screwing around. I will concede that if the skywalk glass was inadequate for design or had deteriorated due to lack of maintainence, then the parents would have a case.

If the parents had been concerned about the walkway, shouldn't they have addressed this issue before. Nah, just wait for an opportunity for a lawsuit. It's only a high school. They have plenty of money. Teacher layoffs are only happening at an alarming rate and many programs are being cut from school systems. No reason there shouldn't be a frivolous lawsuit every so often.

The part about two kids screwing around and getting hurt and the parents should be able to sue because the teachers failed to take the high school students by the hand to make sure they didn't act like ass clowns. Or am I misinterpereting your post?

I think that the parents have every right to sue the school if they wish because they are responsible for the safety of the students while on school grounds and from the information given they didn't do their job. Whether they tried to break up the rough housing or not I have no idea but an accident happened on their property and the parents can sue.

Hell--a woman sued the USPS for leaving her mail at her door step because she tripped over it and fell injuring her back... and she won...

Sorry, I was checking this with my cellphone and sometimes the smilies don't show up. This was a joke right? Sarcasm? Please?

Well done, Dust. I must have missed that one when I went through before. More appropriate background music would have been nice though, ("Running with the Devil", "Sympathy for the Devil", "The Devil Made Me Do It", etc.)

3 month bump because I happened to come across the video the other day. Some familiar faces. Enjoy.

http://paramedictv.ems1.com/Clip.aspx?key=1CD9E3A0397BCBEC