spenac Posted March 30, 2009 Author Share Posted March 30, 2009 That is faulty logic Spenac. By your standards, parents should be able to chop of their children's arms if the children steal from the parents. Since the parents can decide, eh? Besides, children are programmed to learn, just as males are born with foreskin. Why not go with the program? Actually it is weird that their bodys seem programmed for circumcision. "In Genesis 17:12, God specifically directed Abraham to circumcise newborn males on the eighth day. Why the eighth day? In 1935, professor H. Dam proposed the name “vitamin K” for the factor in foods that helped prevent hemorrhaging in baby chicks. We now know vitamin K is responsible for the production (by the liver) of the element known as prothrombin. If vitamin K is deficient, there will be a prothrombin deficiency and hemorrhaging may occur. Oddly, it is only on the fifth through the seventh days of the newborn male’s life that vitamin K (produced by bacteria in the intestinal tract) is present in adequate quantities. Vitamin K, coupled with prothrombin, causes blood coagulation, which is important in any surgical procedure. Holt and McIntosh, in their classic work, Holt Pediatrics, observed that a newborn infant has “peculiar susceptibility to bleeding between the second and fifth days of life.... Hemorrhages at this time, though often inconsequential, are sometimes extensive; they may produce serious damage to internal organs, especially to the brain, and cause death from shock and exsanguination” (1953, pp. 125-126). Obviously, then, if vitamin K is not produced in sufficient quantities until days five through seven, it would be wise to postpone any surgery until some time after that. But why did God specify day eight? On the eighth day, the amount of prothrombin present actually is elevated above one-hundred percent of normal—and is the only day in the male’s life in which this will be the case under normal conditions. If surgery is to be performed, day eight is the perfect day to do it. Vitamin K and prothrombin levels are at their peak. The chart below, patterned after one published by S.I. McMillen, M.D., in his book, None of These Diseases, portrays this in graphic form. Dr. McMillen observed: We should commend the many hundreds of workers who labored at great expense over a number of years to discover that the safest day to perform circumcision is the eighth. Yet, as we congratulate medical science for this recent finding, we can almost hear the leaves of the Bible rustling. They would like to remind us that four thousand years ago, when God initiated circumcision with Abraham.... Abraham did not pick the eighth day after many centuries of trial-and-error experiments. Neither he nor any of his company from the ancient city of Ur in the Chaldees ever had been circumcised. It was a day picked by the Creator of vitamin K (1984, p. 93). Moses’ information, as recorded in Genesis 17:12, not only was scientifically accurate, but was years ahead of its time. How did Moses have access to such information? The answer, of course, is provided by the apostle Paul in 2 Timothy 3:16—“Every scripture is inspired of God.” REFERENCES Holt, L.E. and R. McIntosh (1953), Holt Pediatrics (New York: Appleton-Century-Crofts), twelfth edition. McMillen, S.I. (1984), None of These Diseases (Old Tappan, NJ: Revell)." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akflightmedic Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 So if we are created in his image, then why must we alter ourselves from it?? Did he create us imperfect and we are rectifying it or were we perfect and he wants us altered to show a covenant to his ways? Regardless, think of all those poor lost souls that never chopped off the end of their dicks...may ye all burn in hell. If you want to reach back as far as Abraham, remember that only 12000 members of the 12 original tribes will see everlasting glory. So, out of the billions of people alive and the billions which have already perished, only 144,000 of them were going to Val Halla anyways...I think it also stipulated those 144,000 would be undefiled by women which indicates they were/will be male. Pick and choose what works, scrap the rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spenac Posted March 31, 2009 Author Share Posted March 31, 2009 This has to be the funniest argument I mean discussion of EMTCITY history. Almost got Mateo stirred up again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mateo_1387 Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 Actually it is weird that their bodys seem programmed for circumcision. Or any surgery for that matter. I guess we can remove the appendix too ! "In Genesis 17:12, God specifically directed Abraham to circumcise newborn males on the eighth day. Why the eighth day? In 1935, professor H. Dam proposed the name “vitamin K” for the factor in foods that helped prevent hemorrhaging in baby chicks. We now know vitamin K is responsible for the production (by the liver) of the element known as prothrombin. ... Or any surgery for that matter. I guess we can remove the appendix too ! This has to be the funniest argument I mean discussion of EMTCITY history. Almost got Mateo stirred up again. I knew it ! I took xanax before reading your posts. So Ha ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spenac Posted April 2, 2009 Author Share Posted April 2, 2009 I knew it ! I took xanax before reading your posts. So Ha ! I know you done got me figured out I need to find a new person to rile up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eydawn Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 (Click to view this embedded page in a new window) For your reading pleasure... article today from MSNBC summarizing a new release that I saw in my email from one of my medical subscriptions. Titled "Should All Males be Circumcised" and highlighting the reconsideration about the necessity of the procedure (docs saying no)... Wendy CO EMT-B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dustdevil Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 Dr. Wang? Are you sure this isn't an April Fool's joke? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mateo_1387 Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 (edited) "In Genesis 17:12, God specifically directed Abraham to circumcise newborn males on the eighth day. Dr. McMillen observed: ... Moses’ information, as recorded in Genesis 17:12, not only was scientifically accurate, but was years ahead of its time. How did Moses have access to such information? The answer, of course, is provided by the apostle Paul in 2 Timothy 3:16—“Every scripture is inspired of God.” Thanks for quoting the greatest work of fiction in the midst of a logical discussion. The irony brought a smile to my face. Edited April 2, 2009 by Mateo_1387 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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