robert gift

There's your first admitted mistake! Rather than work on assumptions and hearsay, you would be better off invesitgating and finding FACTS before you open your mouth and show yourself as the fool.

With all the availability and ease of tracking down facts; it only takes a few moments of your time to actually find out the facts of a story as opposed to spreading rumor and innuendo. All this does is prove that you have no clue what you're talking about, and destroys any credibility you may have had.

It's well documented that michael Jackson was in training with former "The Incredible Hulk" star, Lou Ferrigno

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/MichaelJackson/s...3807&page=1

Total time spent on 'research': 20 seconds]

Never mind.

"MJ had (from what we had observed through the media) multiple rhinoplasty for reduction, not inserts and even then bone is used, having this migrate into a cerebral artery is near to impossible.

I hope that helps ..."

Did you hear that Michael Jackson was 90% plastic?

They are going to melt him down and make Legos

-so children can play with HIM!

...

He was in training for his European Tour.

From a peripheral IV start ? cardiac cath balloon rupture or central line maybe sub clavian or I.J. in the field ?...

From his nose.

Sorry, I did not think it needed explaining.

What kind of training would he be doing for a European Tour?

Seriously, was he in some kind of exercise program when this occured?

I must agree with LS .. your not in EMS, 12 lead could show an arrhythmia, or ischemia or infarct but without any prior knowledge of PMHX, prior medications (unless you read and believe EMS tabloids like the Star or Enquirer ) your continuing to embarrass yourself.

Yup sure just like the in the prime of their career's basketball, hockey or soccer players on an international level that suddenly go into arrest or v fib ... and drop dead from (fill in the blank) ... meh.

and I can pull monkeys out of my ass upon command ...

Quite the assumption there again.

good grief RG, stop please, you should be asking questions not making foolish assumptions ... sheesh.

12-lead could indicate or may not reveal arryhythmias, infarct/ischemia , etc. coupled with PMHx.

In his condition, I'd expect the MD to be checking these things. (Maybe he was.)

Unlike the athlete sudden deaths, MJ was not participating in a strenuous physical activity - that I know of.

My diagnosis: Plastic emboli traveled to his brain.

You'd expect a better outcome? So, the fact that he had a personal doctor and he was (possibly) present over overrules biology and nature? Nature should yield simply because you feel having a doctor in his presence should mean he lives?

Yes, the doctor MAY have been incompetent, but there's no way to arrive at that conclusion based on the statements you've made.

So if he had daily 12-leads, they would have caught everything and he would have lived? You know this?

Hopefully something would have been revealed.

Once MJ went asystole, I'd expect the MD to keep him salvageable if a witnessed arrest.

Difficult to understand how a previously healthy young MJ was allowed to deteriorate to such a condition, especially with a personal physician in his employ.

There's only 2 small 'problems' with that entire thought process....

1. How many people actually do what they're SUPPOSED to do when it comes to prevent care?

2. You're assuming that it was a witnessed arrest.

You're basically calling the physician incompetent based on facts not in evidence and suppositions that cannot be substantiated.

Never stopped me before.

I heard that his personal physician was in attendance.

Maybe he was called there by incompetents surrounding MJ, rather then they first calling EMS, which is what should have been done.

I'd expect his MD to do comprehensive physical exams with 12-lead ECGs.

This appears to be a needless, inexcusable death.

Are you serious in asking that question?

Are you even in EMS?

We all know first off that heart disease knows no age limits. It doesn't require that you be morbidly obese, more than 65 years of age, etc.

Speculation like that is ludicrous! Until the toxicology report comes back and the M.E. makes a final determination, we only have the autopsy results to work with.

Even though Michael Jackson wasn't obese, doesn't mean that he wasn't suffering from other risk factors that contributed to the cardiac arrest that killed him. Nor does it imply in any form, that the physician in attendance was in any way incompetent.

I'd expect him to have the finest in medical care.

Including yearly physical exams.

More often if problems.

I'd also expect a better outcome in a WITNESSED ARREST before an MD. - if that be the case.

Am I wrong to feel that MJ's personal physician is incompetent?

How does a not obese 50 year old just die?

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_12708539

U.S. Airways confirmed that Mays was among the passengers on a flight that made a rough landing on Saturday afternoon at Tampa International Airport, leaving debris on the runway after apparently blowing its front tires.

Tampa Bay's Fox television affiliate interviewed Mays afterward.

"All of a sudden as we hit you know it was just the hardest hit, all the things from the ceiling started dropping," MyFox Tampa Bay quoted him as saying. "It hit me on the head, but I got a hard head." Tampa police spokeswoman Laura McElroy said linking Mays' death to the landing would "purely be speculation." She said Mays' family members didn't report any health issues with the pitchman, but said he was due to have hip replacement surgery in the coming weeks.

Laura Brown, spokeswoman for the Federal Aviation Administration, said she did not know if Mays was wearing his seat belt on the flight because the FAA is not investigating his death.

I heard that something knocked his head when the aircarft he was in did a hard landing - hard enough to blow tires.

I also heard that he told his wife that he was not feeling well and went to bed.

Subdural hematoma?

Sorry he died. Too young.

Would like to have seen what Michael had planned next.

A friend, who knew Michael personally, said he would never molest or be inappropriate in any way with children.

I believe him.

What a great idea!

New scenery and working off some of the calories consumed.

Ok, so it wasn't ak that was arrested, but now that I have your attention, check out this goon who did get arrested.

viewers beware... it's work safe, but... well, you will see.

How terrible.

Green bathing suit?

Some women are just jealous that he fills out a bathing suit better than they.

I would at least check to see if the baby was viable and not just stand there. Then, I would either continue CPR or comfort the parents. As the medical person on scene, it would be your responsility to make some determination and then back up your decision with the proper actions and documentation.

Does "the baby later died" mean died in the hospital?

That tells me they should have worked the baby.

If no doubt the baby was DOA upon EMS arrival, they should have told the parents and not give them false hope by rushing the baby to the hospital - if they did.

Inexcuseable.

Should be fired.

Too lazy to perform infant CPR?

Not aware that a baby may have a better chance of being salvaged and not giving it the benefit of the doubt?

Why would a supervisor respond?

How many does to take to handle an infant CPR call?

Baby later died at the hospital?

No matter how we look at it ... bottom line dispatch systems and dispatchers aren't always perfect ...

You need to treat every call as an emergency until you can without a doubt justify there not be a reason for lights and sirens, a few weeks ago I responded to a priority 7 which here in NYC is no L&s ... for someone with a "minor injury" The job text read "minor injury in subway" Upon arrival we come to find out the Patient had a seizure and was falling onto the "tracks" as a train was on coming, the moving train struck him in the head and as he fell back on the platform after being struck it spun him around and sure enough hit him in the head again. Certainly if our dispatch system worked a little better and they knew the situation they wouldn't have sent a BLS crew 100+ city blocks away no L&S, they would send the closest BLS and ALS and a supervisor, plus an engine crew.

Upon your arrival and seeing the patient make your determination if you need L&S making that judgment call without seeing the patient is irresponsible at best.

"Is this an emergency needing red lights and siren?"

If unsure, we asked a few more questions, having already alerted the crew.

My fire department had a great system!

Every fire station had a speaker connected to the incoming emergency telephone line.

We could hear the circuit connect and we could answer the telephone BEFORE it rang!

We could hear the caller talking to our dispatcher.

From what we learned, we.re often on the way to our apparatus before being dispatched.

This is BS - sending a crew AND SUPERVIOSR.

What's da supervisor going to do other than get in the way?

And an Engine crew?

Three vehicles for a bumped head or seizure?

People are sick and tired of all the sirens and emergency vehicles for nothing.

And this waste is what is costing taxpayers so much.

That is the nonsense.

Wow!

A lot of those squeezes would hurt (crushing muscle between pole and femur, etc).

I'll have to try some of these on our fire pole.

Fortunately, we don got no fire pole.

Amazing.

Thank you, everyone.

Just thinking about installing a home sprinkler system.

Some places are considering REQUIRING home sprinklers in new construction.

A home sprinkler system could protect us now, and perhaps increase the value of the house if/when we sell.

We live in the suburbs with domestic water supply.

I can figure a way to install drypipe sprinklers in the ceilings of the second floorooms (from the attic), and in the basement ceiling (which is exposed engineered floor joists).

To do the first floor ceiling would require much damage and patching since everything is drywalled.

Presumably a water flow switch can be connected to the existing smoke detector/security system.

The first occupants had monitoring.

The second occupants cancelled monitoring and we are not monitoring (but we still have the sign!)

Monitoring would require a telephone land line ($26/month) and

monitoring ($35/month) = $61/month which we cannot afford.

Does one ever do a home sprinkler system without monitoring?

For any insurance discount, I'd expect the insurance company to require monitoring.

Otherwise extensive water damage could occur.

The "water bug" idea is good, but what if it shuts off water before the fire is extinguished enough?

Another reason to have monitoring call the fire department.

If we do get a landline telephone, does anyone make a system which could call a cell phone?

That way I am saving $35/month doing my own "monitoring".

Thank you.

Do you have a home security system? In this case they would monitor as part of their fee.

Is this due to insurance requirements?

Its kinda rare to have home sprinkler systems, unless this is a vacation home not vacated or checked on for the majority of the year.

But we have only cell phones.

And I wouldn't want to pay $35/month for monitoring, anyway.

Just wondering if home sprinkler systems also require monitoring.

If not, the potential for tremendous water damage is very great.

With a home sprinkler system, must you also have monitoring 24/7?

I don't want to spend $35/month for monitoring.

If I install sprinkler heads, I'd do it in the basement to protect exposed engineered floor joists

and where water damage would be less.

But, as funds permit, I hope to enclosed exposed joists behind drywall.

I'd be afraid of a pipe in my attic freezing unless it stays dry.

Also fearful that if a head opens, our house could be severely water damaged if not monitored.

Thank you for your opinions.

There have been studies done, or so I have heard about when responding ambulances don't use their lights and sirens they make it to their destination in the same amount of time or even quicker. The problem is to me, that people see the lights coming up behind them, and just stop. That leaves a lot of potential for other incidents to occur. Given, that doesn't always happen, but for the most part, people act like morons trying to make room for the ambulance, or they just plain ole ignore it.

Second of all, in the state of PA, not sure about other states, the vehicle code says that when operating an emergency vehicle, when the lights are on (emergency rotating lights) there must be an audible warning device on as well. I will look for this in the vehicle code later when I have more time and will quote it.

Don't believe the "studies".

Lights and siren allow MUCH time to be saved.

Requiring siren with lights is ridiculous.

Allow siren to be used at the discretion of the crew.

Siren may worry/annoy patients.

Siren may impede hearing BP, breath/bowel sounds, communication with pt, ED, base.

There are so many places where no siren is needed.

Also places where it is best not to sound siren to allow traffic ahead to clear.

Most of our runs were accomplished with litte siren to no siren at night.

Most people try to help the ambulance.

Because of better vehicle sound insulation, better stereo systems and air conditioning,

many drivers don't detect the siren until late.

Such human defects sadly need to be destroyed.

Would like to know more about his family.

Are others also souless?

Perhaps there are one or two here, who wish they could have had the opportunity to pose the same question to your parents.

Stop trying to inject sensationalism into all your posts, just because of your knowledge deficit in EMS.

Well said!

My deficits in general knowledge, and especially in medical knowledge, has no bearing on this legitimate question.

But, as tskstorm suggests, posing this question as a new thread is a better idea. Never thought of it.

Well Robert, not really anyone's business as to why we want a child and I don't need to explain it to anyone.

Why so nosy?

Just asking anyone why they "want" children.

Some, I'm told, want them to have someone take care of them in old age.

A Mormon told me "Mormons do it to get higher status in their Celestial Kingdumb." "Also there are souls waiting to become born."

A Catholic said "The Catholic Church wants to increase membership, which is why they are against contraception."

Others tell me it is pressure from parents and relatives.

Others, "It's the thing to do." and a "Status symbol".

Others have said it is "Tradition".

Robert, Why not? (kicks robert in the shin)

Congrats to you and yours. I know a great place to buy a shotgun when you need it. Take care

Nonethelss, I am always curious why people have children.

Before, it was not a choice.

Now, since it often is a choice, why?

Religious reasons?

Because "It's the thing to do"?

Pressure from parents or relatives?

Tradition?

Why do you want a child?