TO AMR EMPLOYEES "PAY FOR PERFORMANCE PLAN"

[Dustdevil]

anyone who works in this field knows that the snf nurses are idiots and shouldn't be counted as "prior care on scene" i could tell numerous stories of them sitting on their asses at the nurses station while i'm in the back working a code (they didn't even know the patient was coding)

Trust me, they have some stories to tell about you too. :wink:

By the way, there are at least three respected SNF nurses here at this forum, and all of them are smart enough to use professional grammar, and know how to use their shift key.

[checkersfire]

Wow. So you're complaining about having to complete paper work (I have had a problem exactly once with getting a signature, so I had the doctor sign instead of the nurse. Patients that are unable to sign don't count. There is a procedure to handle those signatures) properly and you can't sit out in front of an ER after you get done? To be honest, it sounds like a pretty easy way to make a few extra bucks an hour. Considering that I've seen people have zero problem sitting around for "their 20 minutes" (the company I worked for official limit for time between arrival at the destination and going back in service was 20 minutes. So if they got done in 5 minutes, they'd just sit in the unit for 15 before calling back into service. I've never been complained to about it regardless of if I took 4 minutes or 3 hours) after a call while the rest of the units run calls, this really seems like a non-issue.

To be honest, I'd be willing to bet that any delays that were properly documented and informed to management would be overlooked if brought up tactfully.

As a pure aside, for the love of all that is good, holy, and smells of roses, please use your enter key. Paragraphs are not the enemy, but a wall of text is.

yeah, i can sit outside and wait, if i want to LOSE a dollar or two an hour for a month! that's our whole complaint. i don't have an issue so much with the paperwork and losing a dollar if not done correctly, you can control that. you CAN'T control the times.

[checkersfire]

Trust me, they have some stories to tell about you too. :wink:

By the way, there are at least three respected SNF nurses here at this forum, and all of them are smart enough to use professional grammar, and know how to use their shift key.

what are you, an english teacher? look john wayne wanna be. you must be one of those snf nurses, i don't know where you are from, you obviously havn't worked around any of the facilities here. you are right about this pay for perfomance plan casues alot of fraud in the field. unfortunately, the honest people and the hard working are the ones getting screwed by the system. the ones who commit the fraud always seem to be at the top rate, run the least amount of calls and sadly give the worst patient care and makes us all look bad, and for what, so amr can save a buck?? i have always said, get rid of the pay plan, and if crews can't maintain a minimum standard then they need to GO!!

[checkersfire]

Are you Mo or IL? I am from the ILL side and just to point out one thing, this was Abbott's policy(before AMR) and supposedly AMR is looking to make this a national standard so to our fellow AMR "brothers and sisters"(as AMR is one big family) be on the look out. AMR saves thousands if not tens of thousands with this pay plan(the difference in pay is slightly higher than in MO b/c IL crew are required to have a MO licence) ours is $2 and $3 between "a" and "b" rates and another $2 to $3 between "b" and "c"

you know who i am. i work on both sides. there is NO pay difference between il and mo unless you and your partner are dual lic. the only exception is the fact that if you don't have a mo lic, then you remain at the 'B" RATE. it's only a dollar difference between a and b and b and c rates! i have been here many years so i know all about the pay plans, we also used to have driver's bonuses, bonuses for perfect attendance etc. they took all that away. you are right that is was abbott that did it, amr just didn't change it. i know alot of people on both sides are just waiting to see what amr does, if they don't change things, alot of people emt's and medics will be flocking to gateway. i can make more as an emt at gateway that a paramedic at abbott/amr makes.

[Dustdevil]

what are you, an english teacher?

Nah, not me. Although, it is possible that the owner of this site is, since he specifically saw fit to put this in the Forum Rules:

• You remember the forum rules, don't you? After all, you said you agreed to them when you signed up here. I can't imagine that any mature, intelligent, educated professional would just click "ok" without actually reading the instructions. Or is that how you practise medicine too?

You display an epic lack of situational awareness here. You can continue to look like an idiot, or you can step back, read the forum rules, and get to know people here first before you start showing your arse again by taking ignorant shots at your fellow forum members. The choice is yours.

[rock_shoes]

If it's fairly set up I believe in the concept of performance bonuses. Multiple pay rates based on performance are great for those of us willing to put in the effort required to provide an excellent standard of care.

[Dustdevil]

If it's fairly set up I believe in the concept of performance bonuses. Multiple pay rates based on performance are great for those of us willing to put in the effort required to provide an excellent standard of care.

I agree. Sure, there are some criteria in there that could definitely be tweaked, as they are hardly within the medics' control. But the concept is a sound one. Not all medics are created equal. Some are just plain worth more than others. I reject the socialist, unionist, civil servant mentality that we should all be paid the same for the same patch. I welcome financial incentives for excellence.

[checkersfire]

Nah, not me. Although, it is possible that the owner of this site is, since he specifically saw fit to put this in the Forum Rules:

• You remember the forum rules, don't you? After all, you said you agreed to them when you signed up here. I can't imagine that any mature, intelligent, educated professional would just click "ok" without actually reading the instructions. Or is that how you practise medicine too?

You display an epic lack of situational awareness here. You can continue to look like an idiot, or you can step back, read the forum rules, and get to know people here first before you start showing your arse again by taking ignorant shots at your fellow forum members. The choice is yours.

hey, i'm not the one that started taking the shots!

[BEorP]

let me also add, for ten dollars an hour (the base pay for a medic) i could be flipping hamburgers at white castle. the sad part here is that amr is one of the better paying companies around here and that's why people are leaving this profession and utilizing their skills elsewere. these companies wonder why they can't keep decent people. alot of the younger medics leave here and go to municipalities on the fire dept's for me i'm just too damn old lol, so i'm sort of stuck. i'm not in it for the money, but don't dangle a steak in front of my face then throw me a hot dog.

This is not meant as a question to the OP, but rather just a general question to anyone who may be in this situation. How can you consider yourself a medical professional when you're paid the same as a fast food employee?

I'm not in it for the money either, but if I am not paid what I feel I am worth I would choose a different career.

[mrmeaner]

i'm not in it for the money, but don't dangle a steak in front of my face then throw me a hot dog.

Easy fix to this problem: the 60 day "grace period no longer exists. This will eliminate the employees becoming accustomed to the higher wage. You said yourself that you are officially hired at the "c" wage. Just because you have to maintain standards to continue to receive a higher wage does not mean that the employer is taking money from you.

If you don't like the wage you are maintaining, you have the following options: do a better job, get a better job or get a better education. Personally, I would suggest all three.

Or, you could just get used to the taste of hot dogs.