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Sign me up. If they did something to get them on death row, and all the appeals they got failed, it means they belong there. Iwould have nothing against doing that.

1. We all know that the US has never executed an innocent person :roll:

2. What gives you the right to take someone's life?

"An eye for an eye makes us all blind."

If there are EMTs who are willing to kill then they shouldn't be EMTs.

i have checked with my insurance company/corps/local PD and i am covered for responding to an emergency. I dont drive like an ass with the lights on (or with them off). Maybe I am a "wacker" but that is your oppinion. There is nothing in my jump-kit that i am not certified to use. I have never used my lights when not responding to a call. I spend more on education than I do on lights but most of it is covered by the corps. And finally I want to ask why everyone was being such a dick about me asking what you drive, what is on it, and what you carry as a personal med kit...

It's my opinion? Well yes it is, but it's also yours and you don't care:

http://www.emtcity.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.ph...ighlight=#74833

I am what some would call a "wacker" but I dont care.

Would you mind sharing what your current occupation is that provides you with enough money to have a 2006 Saturn SUV?

And also, how much are you spending on education if you spend more educating yourself then buying EMT toys?

Hey all. New here and i was just wondering what everyone uses as a personal vehicle and what kind(s) of equiptment they have...

Seeing as I am a student in Toronto, I make use of the wonderful TTC. While riding our amazing transit system, I carry a CPR face shield on my keychain and often listen to music on my MP3 player.

we require the critical thinking from basics, and thats about the same as the first aid program. amping up education across the board is the only appropriate solution to improve emergent care across the board, be it the layperson level or not

How is EMT-B "about the same" as a first aid program? Maybe we are talking about different things. What I am referring to is a two day Standard First Aid and CPR-C program intended for lay rescuers. In a two day first aid course there is barely enough time to make sure that students understand how to perform good CPR and know when 911 is needed.

If we are on the same page and you do include critical thinking scenarios in a two day course, can you please post a schedule of a typical course?

Avoid war stories, have everyone simply introduce themselves, save the stricter lecture type education to enviroments conducive to it, and have fun. Games, critical thinking based scenarios, and little paperwork are the best ways to go.

Critical thinking scenarios for people who are often challenged by just learning CPR? These are just first aiders.

These aren't all about keeping it interesting, but here are a few tips:

- at the start of the class, if you find out why everyone is taking the class you can customize the course to what is relevant to them (yes, still stay within the guidelines, but emphasize the points that apply to your students)

- keep everything simple, these are not Paramedic students... one of the most important things for them will be to understand what is a 911 call and what isn't

- always explain (in basic terms) "why" so that students do not need to memorize very much, but will instead understand

- get the class involved constantly in giving answers

- as much as possible, get the students up and out of their chairs

EMS will be considered a profession rather then a job.

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If your educated and knowledgeable that translates into competency.

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So why don't we stop kicking around are own co-workers, do our job in a professional manner, and stop worrying about everyone else thinks about us.

It does sound good for everyone to need to have grad degrees, but maybe we should worry about taking little steps rather then big steps first. Just because your not educated doesn't mean you can't appear to be a health professional in you're treatment of patients and attention to detail. I think the first step is for us to all get are colleagues to appear as health professionals and the public will see this.

And EMTs shouldn't be working on ambulances either. End of story.

But that's a 'whole nother topic.

But they shuold be allowed to tube and give narcan... right? :wink:

We could sure use some Canadian medics here in Iraq, if anybody is interested!

Do they take PCPs? Well, unemployed AEMCAs I mean...

I am opposed to using anyone under 18 as a firefighter, EMS provider. It's no different than the worldwide problem of child soldiers. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_soldier You are using children to do an adults job in a hazardous occupation. PERIOD!

It may not be good to have medics and FFs under 18, but I don't think it's really fair to say that it is "no different" than child soldiers... they are two very different things.

There are many threads and debates comparing Ontario to US medics.

To sum it up (from the perspective of an Ontario PCP student)

- Ontario medics get paid more

- the lowest level to work on an ambulance in the US is EMT-B (a 120 hour course) and in Ontario is PCP (2 years)

- EMT-B jobs can be very hard to come by, and are often just as a driver or transfer attendant

- US medics are technicians, Ontario medics are health professionals

- in the US, EMTs/medics can generally do a lot more (skills/drugs) but with a lot less education... and no, you should not judge an EMS system based on how "progressive" their protocols are

Please don't flame me for this, we've had the debate many times and don't need to again. This is just my perspective and there are obviously many different views about this on the board.

I can't answer your question... but why would you want to leave Ontario to work as a medic in the US?

Yes, it is very hard to find a PCP job here, but that may change by the time you'd be through school and more importantly here medics are health professionals and paid as such.

It would be nice if we all had as much education as an RN too.

Once that happens, our prospects will be much better. Problem is, the vast majority of EMTs and medics don't want that.

Where's that mysterious and cold place where medics actually get a bit of education? And that other place where they actually get more the pay of a health professional than a technician?

Hmmmm or was it the same place...

I know I know. I was just complaining. I got my cert right as they were undergoing changes.

They've been undergoing changes since the new guidelines came out in December 2005.

It's good they make people take the course again since it is obvious by this site that some people are not capable of educating themselves.

Take a look here http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/vol112/24_suppl/

This is the full version, if you only care to know what you need to do differently do a search and you will find a simpler version.

Do you not need to do a new CPR course to be certified in the new guidelines?

On one hand, if you have been arrested for something (e.g. stealing drugs) then you shouldn't have a job... why should the service need to wait to fire you as a trial drags on? But on the other hand, an arrest is not a conviction and there's no guarantee you will be convicted. But on the first hand again, people are not often arrested without cause. So I guess the first hand winds and I think if you are arrested for something serious you should be out of a job before a conviction.

What does it matter that you are a firefighter? Was the patient on fire?

NEWS STORIES that tell of someone dying of cardiac arrest. call me crazy isn't that death? what caused the cardiac arrest?

Or on the news when they say someone went into cardiac arrest, Paramedics arrived and performed CPR but the pt died in hospital

I also use a Littman Classic II. Although I can't compare it to more expensive steths, I have tried a bunch of different lower quality ones and I find mine to offer the best sound (maybe because I'm used to it or maybe because it's better). The price isn't too bad... mine was about $80 CAD.

How do you guys feel about PCPs in Ontario giving glucagon?

Wow guys such helpful info! Thanks!!! :wink:

Didnt say provider had to meet the whole criteria!

Guess www.swambulance.com is about the best I am going to find then!

SWA seems like a good place to start... or come to Ontario

How come you only have 1 patch on??? lolWhat happened to the other one?

Traded it to the Hamilton medics? lol

LMAO!

Isn't that near Scarborough?

Visit Scarlem before you go, it might be good practice

You can count on the Ontarians to keep trying to explain the difference between training and education while you're gone

I think the blanket policy of must use L/S for every call causes safety problems...

Are there places in the province where EMS goes Code 4 to every call?