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LOL @ all of this pissing on Doctors

Man trapped for 3 days in wrecked car off I-680 in North San Jose

Lisa Fernandez

Mercury News

Article Launched: 05/14/2008 06:01:38 PM PDT

Trapped for three days inside his wrecked black Cadillac Escalade with a broken femur, Duc Vinh Do moved in agony, searching for his cell phone - his only link to help.

Thousands of cars already had passed the SUV on San Jose's busy Interstate 680, and no one had spotted it in the thick brush.

Dehydrated, disoriented and in pain, Do finally crawled into the back seat at 4 p.m. Tuesday, found his cell and punched 911. But he didn't know where he was.

At first, rookie 911 operator Wendy Leslie thought Do might be delusional. San Jose police senior operator, Karen Lavrischeff, ended up tracking him down by "pinging" cell phone towers in the area to "triangulate" his SUV. Dispatcher Tara Doxie then set the officers in motion.

Police rushed to the area. But the tracking system sent them to the west side of the highway - opposite of where Do was trapped, 20 feet off northbound I-680 at Hostetter Road.

They couldn't find him.

So police Sgt. Paul Cook came up with a plan: Play the "hot and cold" game with police sirens. Officers hopped in their cars, sirens blaring, and dispatchers told Do to yell into his phone when he heard them.

But police still couldn't pinpoint Do's location because the sirens were still too far away from him.

Next police came up with another plan. They called the Santa Clara County Sheriff to borrow the department's Star One helicopter.

The helicopter pilot almost immediately spotted the black tire tracks that had veered off the road.

Officer Leslie Martin found Do's SUV. Firefighters and paramedics pulled him from his car at 5:05 p.m.

"This was an excellent job by our police and dispatchers," said Sgt. Mike Sullivan.

Do, a 31-year-old Milpitas resident, was on his way home late Saturday night after spending the evening in downtown San Jose. Police don't know why, but Do's Escalade veered off the highway and crashed into a tree.

He found himself trapped, his SUV hidden from view by a thick cover of bushes. No one reported him missing.

Finally, on Tuesday about 4 p.m. Do, who had survived on two bottles of water he had in his mangled SUV, made the call that saved his life.

Wednesday, Do was recovering in an intensive care unit at a local hospital and was not yet up to talking more about his ordeal - even to police.

http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_9261225?source=most_viewed

Unless you're driving on the autobahn that stat is almost useless in discussion on road speeds, unless you're considering building one or have one in your area.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=FjMR0dBa9xQ

It's pretty relevant considering road speeds?! What does having to build one in my area have to do with the statistic of the actual road?

Highway fatalities account for more than 94% of all transportation deaths. There were an estimated 6,289,000 car accidents in the US in 1999. There were about 3.4 million injuries and 41,611 people killed in auto accidents in 1999. The total number of people killed in highway crashes in 2001 was 42,116, compared to 41,945 in 2000. An average of 114 people die each day in car crashes in the U.S.

http://www.unitedjustice.com/death-statistics.html

"Despite the general high speeds, the accident and death rate on the Autobahn is relatively low. Autobahn crashes account for only 10% of national traffic fatalities and, in fact, the fatality rate is lower on the Autobahn than on US Interstates.

Due to the strict laws regarding the Autobahn, and the strict upkeep of the road, it's proven to be THE safest thoroughfare in the world. I'd count that as pretty relevant :wink:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autobahn#Accident_record

insane

A little late..but

woot

http://youtube.com/watch?v=9lrja6C0Quc

Here is the issue i do have a learning disability. I have explained that to my teacher and doesn't matter. My father has taught EEMT-B and other's and told me to tell the teacher from the start witch i did and he told me that the state of New Hampshire will not give oral test because you have to read write and perform all thats in the class witch i have no problem except for the paper exam oral no problem piece of cake. What do I do now.

So what is it that you're having trouble with? The reading and comprehending? What exactly is the learning disability?

Now I know I'm not going to be popular with this response, but in the UK there have been two incidents of this type in the last 25 years. Michael Ryan in Hungerford and Thomas Hamilton in Dunblain. The UK government banned handguns and made it very difficult to obtain any other type of firearm legally. Since then there have been no other incidents of this type. I think that in the US you have to accept that if you make firearms available to the general public, eventually, this type of scenario will occur.

If guns cause violence, women cause prostitution.

You're finding way too many instances of sarcasm in this thread where none exists. I understand you're passionate about this discussion, but come on man! Relax a little!

We're not *all* out to get you!

[humour] Just the guys in the black uniforms and the black helicopters. They're the only ones.[/humour]

-be safe

Haha, it's been a rough week of tests and such - sorry for popping in :oops:.

And btw, my avatar has nothing to do with my views on this discussion

The biggest difference is that one is a high school and one is a college. While I support teachers who choose to have a gun (provided it's in a locked case and the students are unaware of it's presence), I can't really support high school students in this day and age carrying fire arms to school. There was a time in the near past (my father has stories) when that was acceptable, but it isn't really today.

Absolutely agree, I don't and wouldn't advocate high school students being armed - age and maturity play too much a factor in high school. I wasn't advocating for that, I was just adding to the duration of the situation discussion. 8)

True. But how many shootings like the VT shooting happen on a daily basis?

While this is anecdotal at best, I do know of several instances with the local PD where their attention is diverted away from the real "threat" (reports of person with a gun) because law abiding citizens who were licensed to carry (not the person the cops were looking for) had their weapon out in anticipation self defense.

I'm not saying it's right or wrong. Just that it's not as simple as people on either side of the argument would like to make it seem.

And understandably so. The police should take all individuals involved into custody until the situation can be worked out. If a citizen with a gun is approached at gun point by the police, they're going to drop their weapon and comply immediately. If the shooter is approached by the police, it's likely they will fire upon themselves or the officers.

But you're right - lobbyists ultimately decide the fate of this decision, and unfortunately I don't see this changing any time soon. After VA Tech last year, I read this article about University of Utah students being allowed to carry their personal concealed on campus now after the supreme court struck down the ban in 2006. I just don't understand someone's logic who says, "I'm terrified the student next to me may have a gun!"

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/02/20/cnnu.guns/index.html

I read the same article. Utah is a unique state, though. Another poster mentioned mixing of alcohol and weapons on a college campus. I think this is a valid concern.

The class room shooting was the one that took ~10 minutes per Wikipedia. I don't think he was a good enough of a shot to kill 30 people (33-2 from the dorm - himself) in 60 seconds. These were class rooms, not lecture halls.

The time between the dorm room and the class room shootings was several hours.

According to wiki, Columbine lasted nearly an hour.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbine_High_School_massacre

you did take it wrong. did you not read my first reply on the subject, I disagreed that it will not curb violence but I also said let em have their guns.

I read it as sarcasm, sorry - it's hard to interpret* the tone of messages through the internets

Will it end a rampage sooner? Possibly. But what happens when it doesn't? Then the cops arrive and instead of one nut job walking around with a gun there's one nut job and 20 law abiding citizens legally carrying. How's the cop supposed to determine who's the nut job and who isn't? And then what? Now there's a nut job with a gun out there and a few innocent, law abiding citizens who are dead because the cops couldn't tell who was who and shot the wrong guy. Then suddenly the cops are the bad guys. Or, the attention of the cops is diverted to those who are legally carrying and away from the nut job who's the real threat.

People carry concealed weapons on a daily basis in the general public. I haven't heard of too many instances of this happening. :wink:

But you're right - lobbyists ultimately decide the fate of this decision, and unfortunately I don't see this changing any time soon. After VA Tech last year, I read this article about University of Utah students being allowed to carry their personal concealed on campus now after the supreme court struck down the ban in 2006. I just don't understand someone's logic who says, "I'm terrified the student next to me may have a gun!"

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/02/20/cnnu.guns/index.html

but if you look back at the last couple of shootings like this, the rampage is over in less than several minutes and in the end the shooter has taken his own life.

I don't think that someone with a gun could get it out quick enough to end a rampage like that.

Don't take this the wrong way Ruff, but are you more-or-less advocating the thought that students have to stand by and have nothing to protect themselves or the lives of others?

I believe that strict safety measures would need to be in place (ie. mandatory gun safety classes) and that the schools would need to have in place who qualifies for a firearm and who does not (ie. criminal background checks and mental health evaluations). MY biggest issue with allowing guns on campuses is the amount of partying and drinking that goes on. Alcohol and guns do not mix very well and I KNOW that some yahoo would end up shot at a party because of someone got pissed and had a gun.

As a college student, there are a number of people that would scare me sh*tless if I knew they had a gun :shock:

It's going to be interesting to see how these bills go.

Minus the campus ban, what is keeping them from purchasing a hand gun legally and doing the exact same thing? Nothing.

If guns cause violence, women cause prostitution.

I don't know if I can accurately put my views on the subject in the context of the poll. I absolutely believe it would DETER violence and allow situations to be resolved much more quickly. I think anyone contemplating shooting the school up (and 95% of them take their own lives bc they're cowards) would think twice if they knew the person next to them on the bus had his gun on him.

What is stopping someone determined on causing a mass casualty situation from bringing a gun on campus with a gun ban? Absolutely nothing. Unfortunately, it only hinders someone from protecting their life, and the lives of their peers.

From Wikipedia:

Therefore PhDs are by definition a doctor. QED

Of course they are. Please read the post above. I was simply saying the way it is conveyed through the media/public that the general idea that all "doctors" are MDs and MDs only, and how PhDs like to think of themselves highly by toting the media-friendly "doctor" tag.

Well, to be fair, they were doctors before physicians adopted the term "doctor."

I think when the general public hears the term "doctor" though, they immediately think "MD" and MD only. Maybe I just take the general public for being more ignorant than they really are, but I have had several cases where I've had to explain things to people.

Well, people call Dr. Phil "doctor," but he doesn't have a MD or DO.

Ph.D. - but for whoever relies on "Dr. Phil" for advice :shock:

I've always had a little something against Ph.D.'s calling themselves "Doctors" in the sense of the same definition.

Unfortunately that's the truth, too. Along with the same topic repeated every 5 days or so, it makes for an interesting time even trying to digest simple thoughts in those forums. I stick to the allopathic/osteopathic and sub-specialties forums. There is a lot of good information on that site, however not near the amount of scenario based learning as is here.

Search around the StudentDoctor.com forums, there is plenty of helpful information there if you are interested. Be sure to avoid the pre-allopath or pre-osteopath forums though, as they're chalked full of uninformed pre-meds with little to no helpful information.

I've researched this topic at nausea, as I will be applying to medical school in the coming year. In all reality, as has been said before, there is absolutely NO difference between a practicing DO and MD, besides OMM. Unfortunately, in the United States, those uneducated or unaware of our profession tend to think MDs are higher, or are actually an authoritative end all. That is not the case at all. DO's go through the same classes, same residencies, same training, and same extremely long hours as those going through an allopathic medical school. The major difference I can think of is the way DOs approach the body as a whole system, and are taught to emphasize prevention medicine, rather than treatment via medication only.

I believe I will be applying for an osteopathic medical school, btw.

...and my personal favorite...

With that last one, good luck inspiring advanced students with EMT-B class work.

There's me

Lol @ Military suggestions.

Check with your local programs/ambulance provider for more information. Many EMS agencies have very little info on the internet, if any. It'd be best to go in and speak with someone directly to get all of the correct answers anyway. Good luck.