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LOL @ all of this pissing on Doctors

Man trapped for 3 days in wrecked car off I-680 in North San Jose Lisa Fernandez Mercury News Article Launched: 05/14/2008 06:01:38 PM PDT Trapped for three days inside his wrecked black Cadillac Escalade with a broken femur, Duc Vinh Do moved in agony, searching for his cell phone - his only link to help. Thousands of cars already had passed the SUV on San Jose's busy Interstate 680, and no one had spotted it in the thick brush. Dehydrated, disoriented and in pain, Do finally crawled into the back seat at 4 p.m. Tuesday, found his cell and punched 911. But he didn't know where he was. At first, rookie 911 operator Wendy Leslie thought Do might be delusional. San Jose police senior operator, Karen Lavrischeff, ended up tracking him down by "pinging" cell phone towers in the area to "triangulate" his SUV. Dispatcher Tara Doxie then set the officers in motion. Police rushed to the area. But the tracking system sent them to the west side of the highway - opposite of where Do was trapped, 20 feet off northbound I-680 at Hostetter Road. They couldn't find him. So police Sgt. Paul Cook came up with a plan: Play the "hot and cold" game with police sirens. Officers hopped in their cars, sirens blaring, and dispatchers told Do to yell into his phone when he heard them. But police still couldn't pinpoint Do's location because the sirens were still too far away from him. Next police came up with another plan. They called the Santa Clara County Sheriff to borrow the department's Star One helicopter. The helicopter pilot almost immediately spotted the black tire tracks that had veered off the road. Officer Leslie Martin found Do's SUV. Firefighters and paramedics pulled him from his car at 5:05 p.m. "This was an excellent job by our police and dispatchers," said Sgt. Mike Sullivan. Do, a 31-year-old Milpitas resident, was on his way home late Saturday night after spending the evening in downtown San Jose. Police don't know why, but Do's Escalade veered off the highway and crashed into a tree. He found himself trapped, his SUV hidden from view by a thick cover of bushes. No one reported him missing. Finally, on Tuesday about 4 p.m. Do, who had survived on two bottles of water he had in his mangled SUV, made the call that saved his life. Wednesday, Do was recovering in an intensive care unit at a local hospital and was not yet up to talking more about his ordeal - even to police. http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_9261225?source=most_viewed

It's pretty relevant considering road speeds?! What does having to build one in my area have to do with the statistic of the actual road? http://www.unitedjustice.com/death-statistics.html Due to the strict laws regarding the Autobahn, and the strict upkeep of the road, it's proven to be THE safest thoroughfare in the world. I'd count that as pretty relevant :wink:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autobahn#Accident_record

insane

A little late..but woot http://youtube.com/watch?v=9lrja6C0Quc

So what is it that you're having trouble with? The reading and comprehending? What exactly is the learning disability?

Haha, it's been a rough week of tests and such - sorry for popping in :oops:. And btw, my avatar has nothing to do with my views on this discussion

Absolutely agree, I don't and wouldn't advocate high school students being armed - age and maturity play too much a factor in high school. I wasn't advocating for that, I was just adding to the duration of the situation discussion. 8)

And understandably so. The police should take all individuals involved into custody until the situation can be worked out. If a citizen with a gun is approached at gun point by the police, they're going to drop their weapon and comply immediately. If the shooter is approached by the police, it's likely they will fire upon themselves or the officers. I read the same article. Utah is a unique state, though. Another poster mentioned mixing of alcohol and weapons on a college campus. I think this is a valid concern.

According to wiki, Columbine lasted nearly an hour. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbine_High_School_massacre

I read it as sarcasm, sorry - it's hard to interpret* the tone of messages through the internets

People carry concealed weapons on a daily basis in the general public. I haven't heard of too many instances of this happening. :wink: But you're right - lobbyists ultimately decide the fate of this decision, and unfortunately I don't see this changing any time soon. After VA Tech last year, I read this article about University of Utah students being allowed to carry their personal concealed on campus now after the supreme court struck down the ban in 2006. I just don't understand someone's logic who says, "I'm terrified the student next to me may have a gun!" http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/02/20/cnnu.guns/index.html

Don't take this the wrong way Ruff, but are you more-or-less advocating the thought that students have to stand by and have nothing to protect themselves or the lives of others?

Minus the campus ban, what is keeping them from purchasing a hand gun legally and doing the exact same thing? Nothing.

If guns cause violence, women cause prostitution. I don't know if I can accurately put my views on the subject in the context of the poll. I absolutely believe it would DETER violence and allow situations to be resolved much more quickly. I think anyone contemplating shooting the school up (and 95% of them take their own lives bc they're cowards) would think twice if they knew the person next to them on the bus had his gun on him. What is stopping someone determined on causing a mass casualty situation from bringing a gun on campus with a gun ban? Absolutely nothing. Unfortunately, it only hinders someone from protecting their life, and the lives of their peers.

Of course they are. Please read the post above. I was simply saying the way it is conveyed through the media/public that the general idea that all "doctors" are MDs and MDs only, and how PhDs like to think of themselves highly by toting the media-friendly "doctor" tag.

I think when the general public hears the term "doctor" though, they immediately think "MD" and MD only. Maybe I just take the general public for being more ignorant than they really are, but I have had several cases where I've had to explain things to people.

Ph.D. - but for whoever relies on "Dr. Phil" for advice :shock: I've always had a little something against Ph.D.'s calling themselves "Doctors" in the sense of the same definition.

Unfortunately that's the truth, too. Along with the same topic repeated every 5 days or so, it makes for an interesting time even trying to digest simple thoughts in those forums. I stick to the allopathic/osteopathic and sub-specialties forums. There is a lot of good information on that site, however not near the amount of scenario based learning as is here.

Search around the StudentDoctor.com forums, there is plenty of helpful information there if you are interested. Be sure to avoid the pre-allopath or pre-osteopath forums though, as they're chalked full of uninformed pre-meds with little to no helpful information.

I've researched this topic at nausea, as I will be applying to medical school in the coming year. In all reality, as has been said before, there is absolutely NO difference between a practicing DO and MD, besides OMM. Unfortunately, in the United States, those uneducated or unaware of our profession tend to think MDs are higher, or are actually an authoritative end all. That is not the case at all. DO's go through the same classes, same residencies, same training, and same extremely long hours as those going through an allopathic medical school. The major difference I can think of is the way DOs approach the body as a whole system, and are taught to emphasize prevention medicine, rather than treatment via medication only. I believe I will be applying for an osteopathic medical school, btw.

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Lol @ Military suggestions. Check with your local programs/ambulance provider for more information. Many EMS agencies have very little info on the internet, if any. It'd be best to go in and speak with someone directly to get all of the correct answers anyway. Good luck.