wemedic40

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i do it all the time working 24 hours on primary ambulance but i get to sleep at night but i need a little more info to make a better post

i would have to work her until ALS arrives to declare her DOA

both of our trucks have welch allyn propaqs with the 3 lead EKG and we also have stand alone AEDs on our trucks, so crotchitymedic1986 what is so wrong with having AEDs on BLS trucks, we also have to respond to cardiac arrest calls here in where i work at but we also have in our protocol that we do CPR and AED until the ALS truck gets there to take over.

PSA means primary service area which we were out when our dispatch called us about the pts mother having chest pain. i had gotten a hold of another ambulance whose PSA it was. but the big problem is that my partner got out and left the pt in the back of the rig by herself which i know for a fact is abandoment due to that if we were ALS we would have alot more drugs that we would be carrying and be responsible for. also she did not need to get out due to the fact that if i had a lower cert= abandonment i have researched it

Let me see if I'm reading this right before I respond to the situation. You're taking a patient to the hospital and their family is following you POV. You are the driver.

Family starts having chest pain, calls dispatch, dispatch tells you family is having trouble, and both of you pull over. You call for another ambulance and your partner gets out of the back of the ambulance and goes to the family's car to check them out.

Your partner and the pt's family then get into the ambulance, and you are now transporting 2 patients.

Yes?

Here's my question. Was your partner ALS? NO Were there ALS interventions in place (12 lead, IV with meds) etc ongoing when your partner left the rig? ONLY O2 WAS GOING WE ARE ONLY BLS Did you have visual contact with both your partner and the original patient the entire time? MY PARTNER WAS OUT OF THE RIG TOO

If it was pretty simple and you were right there to jump into the back to provide care if necessary while your partner was assessing the pt in the car, I'd say there was no abandonment. If ALS interventions were left unattended and it took a really freakin' long time, then it's more of a grey zone leaning towards abandonment...

And crotchity, there was a huge thread on whether you stop at an MVC or not. Usually the answer is, if you are already transporting or already committed to a call, you call dispatch and let them sort out who's closer to which in order that everyone still gets care. You don't just roll up on an MVC and stop when you're transporting someone...

Wendy

CO EMT-B

to answer your questions I WAS GOING TO TAKE CARE OF THE PT IN THE CAR WHILE MY PARTNER WAS IN THE BACK, I WAS DRIVING THE AMBULANCE WHEN THIS HAPPENED. SO THE PT IN THE CAR WAS MINE TO BEGIN WITH.

MCIs are different from this we originally had one pt and the family was following us in the another vehicle, the original pts mother was in the other vehicle and started having chest pain, our dispatch called us and told us that the pts mother was having chest pain i proceeded to stop and make sure that the pts mother was okay, and also had another ambulance on its way, my partner was in the back with the original pt and got out of the rig and went back to help the pts mother leaving the pt in the back of the rig alone, in MN it doesnt matter whether you can see what the pt is doing in the back, if both of you are out of the rig it is still abandoment on her part

no chris you got it right

i had a pt that i was transporting to the hospital, while enroute pts family member started having chest pain, and our dispatch notified us that she was having it, so i pulled over to make sure that the pt was okay, mean while my partner who was in the back with the original pt got out and proceeded to help the pts family member leaving the other pt in the back of the rig by herself. also i had started the ambulance that was going to have to pick this pt up since it was out of my psa, which my partner also loaded into our rig to go to the hospital with us.