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talk with p3medic he works in Boston

witnessed arrsest pre-cordial thump please, get the pads on and defibrillate; start CPR post shock.

I thought pre-cordial thump wasn't exactly recommended anymore due to most people doing it wrong or something...also wouldn't you analyze the rhythm before shocking? and are they going to not do CPR from the time he goes pulseless to the time you get you pads and monitor all set up?

I agree...this thread might be headed down hill and is no longer an intellectual discussion on a debatable topic.

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I am starting to think that Ruff has a thing for rednecks....

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that you and I are on the same page My concern was that some people were discriminating between anti-depressants and other chemically/mind altering drugs. But as long as we judge each drug/person individually and not discriminate than it's all good

Haha I can only assume that Symptom Relief bag relieves my symptoms?

That made me laugh...but then again I am easily amused.

I thought that the State dictates what all is supposed to be stocked in an EMS unit? Like the bare minimum on the unit for it to be determined an EMS unit??

Am I wrong? Cause that is possible, but I was just wondering. My friends in EMS haven't really had an issue with coming up with a list of what all they need in their bags because well, there isn't much wiggle room.

Unless of course this person is looking for a personal vehicle. In which case wanker it out! get the full D cylinder, IV kits, Monitor, hell, outfit the car for a stretcher

That was not my argument Ruff...my argument was that during those 4 days of feeling blue, the persons brain is possibly chemically altered in the same way that people are arguing that taking the anti-depressants chemically alters the mind therefore making people unfit to do the job.

And on your point Ruff, I agree, the moment their work becomes compromised you should pull them off the unit...will you do the same for someone who is hung over, has a bad head cold, or has not had a good nights sleep... and makes a mistake in their patient assessment or fumbles around trying to get a blood pressure?

Because if you are willing to shrug those fumbles off to 'oh they have a cold' or 'they didn't sleep much last night' or 'I'm having family issues at home' then why are we pulling people off of units for making the adult, mature decision to go get help for their problem.

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Good point. At least the medicated ones can off themselves with their own meds, and I won't have to worry about them stealing a dollar-fifty worth of diazepam from my truck.

So you are more concerned about paperwork than the lives of your co-workers? And if they are properly medicated, then why would they off themselves? Annie is right...non-medicated, physician supervised, depressives are chemically altered...so are you going to be screening employees 24/7 for signs of depression?? Because I would like to see where you get THAT funding because guess what...people get depressed. I bet even you Dust at one point in your life (probably even while working EMS or nursing) that you had a rough couple of days where the chemicals running around in your brain were a little altered. Or those cold medicines you take OTC for a stuffy nose.

The point is how to we discriminate between anti-depressants, cold medicine, being hung over, and the bodies natural hormones and chemical imbalances.

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I think there's a good one near PITT...my friend is at UPITT and is friends with some from there and she said she enjoyed it.

I'll try and get the name for you.

This thread does not make any sense

This has been around for a while...seen it before. but funny none the less

I agree. It is unfortunate there are people out there with those feelings celtic I would work with you

I would be more concerned about someone NOT on medication that those who are. The ones not being medicated are not under a physicians supervision and therefore may be more dangerous than those who sought out help for their problem. Non-medicated depressives could be suicidal to the point that they steal drugs from the unit to off themselves, or don't care about anyone else around them and are harmful to patients and their partners.

What about a medic who on the way up stairs to rescue a patient has a heart attack and dies....but that is not the debatable topic here. Its how to we determine healthy versus unhealthy providers?

What about all of the L.O.D.D.'s we hear about related to Heart attacks or strokes? Obesity is a huge health problem, yet do we kick our providers off if their BMI is >24? Cause you would be getting rid of a lot of providers I know.

So again I will ask.... where do we draw the line? Anything that alters brain chemistry makes someone unfit for EMS? Just consider... a partner who was at a wedding or a bachelor party yesterday and shows up today hung over/dehydrated/ill.... probably has altered his/her brain chemistry.. do we send them home? A female on birth control pills... or at "that time of the month".. all PMS jokes aside... quite possibly has a different emotional level than before... do we refuse to employ females? The guy who has decided to quit smoking... and is more than a bit edgy because of it... is that altered brain chemistry? Do we refuse to let them treat a patient?

I completely agree. Where do we draw the line?

I am not yet an EMT so i apologize for my lack of knowledge about frog legs.

That even scared me when I watched it! I would be curious about how that works as well. I have never heard of such a thing?!