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I agree that we need to look at a systemic discussion but with the polar opposites in this country on both sides, we need to take baby steps. Then again, even baby steps might be a problem when certain groups don't believe in compromise.

PS-Page 3 and it has been kept civil. The City never lets me down.

EDIT: My post made it page 4

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Maybe, however the point is that military style assult weapons have NO place in the general community..I own guns, I live in a rural area and abide by the laws that allow me to own them. Assult weapons are not used for "hunting" and most responsible people would agree with that.

Yes we do need to control the 'person', but we also need to control the óbject'.

"People say what if they had a knife?'' Trouble with that statement is that a knife cannot kill 30 people in one go from 50 feet, thent o be reloaded and then kill andother 30..........

Take the most lethal available weapon away from the 'mentally disturbed' and then there will be no easy way for them to ''go postal' (another great American term, that derives from these type of events) if they do not have the access to these style of weapons (assult weapons)

at the time the Australian Governemnt implemented the new gun control laws here in 1990's I was apprehensive and alarmed, but see the good it has done in both my role as an emergency service worker and a avid shooter.

So yes control the person, get better mental health services, but also control the tool that can cause this high number of deaths.

we can do some thing to prevent this, and we can do things to minimise these results..........no one is advocating that you dont own a gun, what they are saying is why does ''joe public" need assult weapons? Why do you not have a better way of recording where these weapons are? do all people that own firearms have them secured in a way that is safe storage (a locked gun safe, with the ammo separate)......

Do this and you can move forward to preventing things like what happened in Conneticut.

Actually a knife is more dangerous than a gun. Many mass murders have occurred with edged weapons.

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Actually a knife is more dangerous than a gun. Many mass murders have occurred with edged weapons.

Are you sure about that?

Murders in the United States based on Weapon used.

http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s0310.pdf

Murders in Australia based on weapon used

http://www.aic.gov.a...ide/weapon.html

Murders in Canada based on weapon used

http://www.statcan.g...l/tbl03-eng.htm

Murder rates per 100,000 people

Canada 1.62/100,000

United States 4.7/100,000

Australia 1.3/100,000

Given this data comparing locations which have gun control can you still argue that guns aren't the main weapon of choice to commit murder and that gun control won't make any difference on murder rates?

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Are you sure about that?

http://www.allcountr...apons_used.html

I don't know about knives being more dangerous than guns, but at close range I would rather defend against a firearm than a knife.

EDIT: I would rather defend against neither.

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Are you sure about that?

Murders in the United States based on Weapon used.

http://www.census.go...les/12s0310.pdf

Murders in Australia based on weapon used

http://www.aic.gov.a...ide/weapon.html

Murders in Canada based on weapon used

http://www.statcan.g...l/tbl03-eng.htm

Murder rates per 100,000 people

Canada 1.62/100,000

United States 4.7/100,000

Australia 1.3/100,000

Given this data comparing locations which have gun control can you still argue that guns aren't the main weapon of choice to commit murder and that gun control won't make any difference on murder rates?

You forgot Mexico. 16.9 per 100,000 and has some of the toughest gun laws there are.

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I can run away from a knife wielding maniac, I can't run away from a bullet.

You forgot Mexico. 16.9 per 100,000 and has some of the toughest gun laws there are.

Mexico

15,500,000 civilian firearms - 15 for every 100 people

Ranked 42 in the world for civilian gun ownership

In the latest year, there were 11,309 homicides by firearm - 9.97 per 100,000 population. 54.9% of all homicides are by firearm

In the Unites States in 2008 firearms accounted for 67% of all homocides.

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I can run away from a knife wielding maniac, I can't run away from a bullet.

Mexico

15,500,000 civilian firearms - 15 for every 100 people

Ranked 42 in the world for civilian gun ownership

In the latest year, there were 11,309 homicides by firearm - 9.97 per 100,000 population. 54.9% of all homicides are by firearm

In the Unites States in 2008 firearms accounted for 67% of all homocides.

So they have have many more homicides involving guns yet have stricter gun control laws. You can be arrested for having an empty shell casing in your possession.

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However, at least some of Mexico's problem comes from guns smuggled in from the United States. Also, regarding Norway, I'm not keen to use outlier events. Particularly, when said events are not uncommon in the United States.

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