Should EMTs Have to Babysit Their Medics?

[suzeg487]

Well-stated, Dwayne!

[unknown]

Yes Dwayne, VERY well Stated!!! :thumbleft:

[Ridryder 911]

If you have noticed many of us " Old Timers" have stayed silent.

As much as I like EMT City, part of the problem is that many threads are started not really wanting to discuss or informing, rather than its just ranting and whining . Something, I have to say EMS personnel is really good at doing. All talk and no production.

The original poster was very aware that the wording and phrasing would be noticed; hence the reason it was posted that way. It would be obvious that they demonstrated poor communication techniques. Especially if they have "worked with them for several years" and still have known how to talk to them. If poor care or wrongful treatment is being provided then proper action should had been taken, backed up with proper documentation and using the proper channels. If one did not take action then the accuser is just as guilty by not informing or allowing poor care to continue.

If you want to know more about the care I or any Paramedic provides, then ask appropriately. If you do not know how to, then I suggest one to learn basic communication skills. One can ask without assumptions if the care was wrong. Any care or performance we provide; we should be able to justify them. Again, the mannerism on how it is asked is the difference. Have a problem with an individual; then talk to them. Next step is to follow the chain of command. Period.. case closed.

Now to the other rants: Chances are if you are a basic you were either hired to be a first responder or it is associated with your primary job. For example incognito, you are a communication specialist and the EMT is considered to be experience and background education not the main emphasis. With changes within EMS and the advancement the role of the EMT is to be a first responder, to assist the Paramedic and to provide care when and if necessary.

I now do find it ironic on how many "self appointed EMS experts" we have on this forum. Especially, since many of the posters have very little or no professional experience and many have not even yet completed a formal Paramedic or EMS educational programs. What is now considered to be the general foundation of any EMS structure. Yet, we have many these self pronounced experts present that their only education level consists of a 150 hour course, and few hours of observation clinicals. Should this even allow them to develop an official opinion? I would compare this to a nurse aide discussing the Nursing Profession. Their input is essential, but they usually lack the understanding of the "whole picture"; with their limited knowledge base.

Of those new State and National EMS changes, should we not ask and wonder why there is no postings from those that are actually and seriously working on changes? Should we also wonder why they do not ask for opinions and suggestions from many of our posters? Again, like AK described; read the posts, the intent, and the emotions associated with many. Again, I like EMT City; but let's be realistic. It does have to be compared to a "hens party" a lot of clucking but nothing more than that.

Unfortunately, the majority of those in EMS are not formally educated in EMS. Thus the problems of EMS. They lack the understanding or experience of systems development, development and comparison of professional standards, educational curriculum review, legislative practices and so on. Yet, many assume since that they have attended a whole whopping 150 clock hour course, they should be recognized as an expert in EMS. Unfortunately many push that persona and that they are really experts upon blinded municipalities and they unfortunately listen to them. Hence one reason EMS never progresses.

I make a challenge. I would like to see from posters that are actively acting upon in EMS infrastructure changes, legislative bills (both State and Federal) and that are actually making the changes, not just talking or clucking .

Since I have made the challenge. I am very active in NAEMSE , a member of NAEMT and local EMS Associations involved in policy development. As well here is a link to the State bills and action I am working on.

http://ok-emscoalition.org/legislation

any others?... Talk is cheap.. time to put up or shut up!

R/r 911

[JakeEMTP]

I must admit, I never opened this thread because to the title. However, curiosity as to why it was constantly in the top "30" got the best of me.

Rid, as a brand new "wet behind the ears" medic, I feel I do not as yet have the appropriate experience to make changes. Hell, I don't even know what I would change. That being said, I do sit on the EMS oversite committee here. We have made some changes locally that we feel are for the better and some of them that we felt particularly strong about have been forwarded to NCOEMS ( State EMS ) for their perusal.

AK stated change takes time. It may seem like nothing is changing and yet with your passion for EMS, I sure the State of Oklahoma is better for it.

In my case, I don't know what to do. Our system seems to work well. I do not have experience in other States, or even Counties for that matter. I feel as my knowledge of EMS progresses through research and just staying involved locally, I may have more to offer at a later date.

Keep up the good work!

[brentoli]

Jake,

You're worthless.

-EMT's

Just playing...

Does NAEMT have a lobbist division? I looked on their website and couldn't find anything. I couldn't find any issues pages on their site either. With thousands of bills going through the U.S. Congress none of them have an effect on EMS?

[AnthonyM83]

I honestly see this as more of a self-advancement website. I wouldn't expect a lot of the people in the higher up committees to spend too much time here just b/c it's so busy with so many various discussions...which is the point, this is a social board as much as educational one.

I know there's more directed sites like fieldmedics.com but what happens with many sites like that the lack of social activity leads to a decrease in posting and low retention rate. So, I'm not quite sure what the answer is....

As far as NAEMSE, I just got a call back from the EMT school 10 min ago and got a skills instructor position....not necessarily an "educator" position and I'm still an EMT, but it's a start...so I'm signing up now

That's how I'm contributing without being an medic...trying to my best to produce competent EMTs ... at least as far as basic skills (CPR, splinting, etc)

[JakeEMTP]

Jake,

You're worthless.

-EMT's

Just playing...

I know.

Jake kicks the dirt as he walks away.

[Ridryder 911]

NAEMT has had a major overhaul. Basically, reforming ... it is using its power to endorse and cause effect in such movements associated with NAEMSE, Advocated for EMS ( http://www.advocatesforems.org/whats_new.aspx), American Ambulance Association (AAA). all of these have national input of EMS bills and legislation. Another new one and appears to be very active is EMS on the Hill. They continuously monitor and watch for new bills that affect EMS.

Again, we all can talk and chirp, but unless you are proactive as in involvement and participation, then it means NOTHING. Anyone can whine and bitch...

R/r 911

[Michael]

the intellect and experience needed to say anything intelligent has gone way beyond me

Just sayin'. :wink:

[brentoli]

Just a look at whats going on in Indiana... The only orginizations that I know of here are IAFF and IVFA (Indiana Volunteer Fireman Association) that watches/lobbys the General Assembly.

[web:f70135f50f]http://www.in.gov/apps/lsa/session/billwatch/billinfo?request=getSubjectLinks&main_code=0107&year=2008&session=1&subject=EMERGENCY+MEDICAL+SERVICES[/web:f70135f50f]