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The milk! It came out my nose!

Dupe. This is the tenth post from the top in this subforum! http://www.emtcity.com/index.php/topic/17245-911-non-emergencies-a-growing-problem-nationwide/

Apparently not people wearing FDNY boots

I can't believe this. Name some P/B flight services

This does not seem like a fair comparison.

I'm happy to stop and offer some first aid if there is a situation that looks needful and nobody is on scene, but only if it is safe for me. I drove past a wreck the other day that I might have stopped for because I saw no safe way to stop (icy interstate with traffic, car in snowy median on a curve with no inside shoulder = way to dangerous to think about it).

good find

http://www.denverpost.com/commented/ci_14084125?source=commented-

Wherever you got your tech cert may be affiliated with a shcool, allowing you to transfer your paramedic time so that you just need A&P I&II, Bio, and geneds like english, speech, etc. YOu ought to be able to do everything online except for your Bio and A&P labs (or speech if thats required)

Congratulations on your A. Good work!

Unless he has changed his opinion recently...

I know nothing of their EMS system, just that if I was going to travel to Mexico (and I have several times), Mexico City would be very low on the list of places to visit.

"We want to make some money, but ONLY doing the exciting trauma junkie calls. That will keep our people properly experienced." Good plan...

If you want to give the best case tech school scenario, then let me give the best case AAS scenario which is WAY BETTER: Working AAS Paramedic Plan! It is easy to do! 1. Get EMT-B (possibly take Bio I at the same time) 2. Get full time EMT job and work it for 1 year to get the required 1 year experience to go to P school. While working full time, go to school part time taking Bio I, A&P I, A&P II, IV, and EKG (that's 17 credits total over 3 semesters, not hard!) all while receiving financial assistance. If you are motivated, you could do all your general ed requirements too, eliminating step 4. 3. Enroll in one of several AAS EMT-P programs that are scheduled to work around your full time modified kelly shift! You work full time EMT-B while earning EMT-P and putting money into retirement if your job allows and you know what to do. 4. Work full time as an EMT-P while over the next 1-2 semesters, you take the remaining 9-15 credits required for the AAS degree. Several of my friends have gone this route. It is entirely doable. Your whole argument is couched on the idea that the tech school guy is going to have your university account dropout level of finance knowledge to put him ahead of the degreed medic who doesn't know the finance tricks. This is a strawman's argument. Maybe our AAS paramedic will take finance classes as electives. I know the tech school dude won't take any electives. There are none. The Working-AAS option is way cheaper than your tech school option, allows fulltime employment the entire time, and is just as fast except that you probably made more money and now you have a better education and an AAS to advance in the future! The tech school guy will not have the future option to quickly get an associates degree. His tech school credits won't count. He'll need 2 years of school. That pretty much ends your argument for tech school being the most lucrative option. It might be the easy route, or the only route for those who cannot cut the higher standard, but it is NOT the most lucrative route out there. He's being "pragmatic" by which I mean "selfish." It is NOT "enlightened self interest," just self interest. You could call it unprofessional... Young, she kinda nailed you down there. That is exactly what your posts have read like.

You have no soul and no professionalism. You don't care about medicine. Why are you here?

46Young you are making a LOT of assumptions, most of them questionable. 1. The assumptions of poor spending habits by the college grad but good investing discipline by the non-college person. 2. Assuming that the college student does not work and earn money while in college. 3. Assumption that the non-college student has the ability to pay that extra 10K up front for the tech course. 4. Assumption that the student has ability to invest this mythical $10K in order to make the earnings difference (or that they can get that fantabulous 10% rate). 5. You are ignoring the chance college students have to get a student loan or grant which will let the acquire education without delay. Tech students do not have this opportunity. Therefor, you fail to account for missed earnings for the non-college person who is forced to spend time in a lesser paying job saving money to be spent on tech school. 6. You are also mischaracterizing the length of an AAS Paramedicine versus a tech school options. Tech school is generally going to be 6-12 months (we aren't counting medic mills). You are cheating yourself if you don't do college level A&P and many tech schools require it anyways. AAS Paramedic Programs are generally the same length as the trade school for the paramedic portion. One will find that there is really only about 1 extra semester of courses required to earn an AAS in paramedicine, and those courses could actually be done by the student when they are doing A&P. 7. You are also making a fatal assumption: that the education requirements for paramedicine will remain static. AAS will hopefully become the minimum. CONCLUSION: Really, you are making a lot of weak arguments and strawman arguments for tech school being more lucrative. Your argument only works for a small subset of people with very limited aspirations under certain conditional futures. It's a bad bet for the individual and it's a bad bet for EMS. Why push that agenda at all? Your troglodyte attitude is irritating. Don't be an RN for the money. You'd better be smart enough and want to do the job. BTW, it's REALLY hard to find a job as a new graduate these days in many areas (having a BSN helps and may eventually become the minimum). There just aren't new grad positions available due the bad economy + schools being flooded by people who think that RN=easy$. Your "be a hero, be a medic ASAP" comment reeks of a lack of professionalism. You honestly seem much more interested in fire than medicine. So why are you on this forum anyways?

OH! It makes perfect sense now

"Department Chief Walter Szulwach says that with two ambulance companies in the town, as well as one ambulance stationed at its firehouse on Goshen Turnpike, sending firefighters out to medical calls is redundant. "It's just not a prudent use of resources," Szulwach says. "A lot of times when we responded to medical calls, an ambulance was already at the scene."" That's unpossible! The IAFF will be along shortly to get Chief Szulwach into line...

NR test is easy. It is not a scam. It is not set up to make you fail the first time. I passed the first time. If someone has to take such an easy test 4-5 times just to get an 70%, maybe EMS isn't for them. Further, you don't seem to be a big fan of standards and verification. Without NR, you cannot think of moving between states. You'd have to take paramedic or emt school all over again. Other medical professions have national standards. A NCLEX licensed nurse with a degree from a properly accredited institution can move from state to state without having to take nursing school over again. Lacking national standards makes us look like even more of a joke to insurance which keeps reimbursement low and our pay low. The NR isn't perfect. It's standards should be increased. Moving the opposite direction and eliminating it will just be another step in relegating EMS to the backwaters. If you want an example of how NREMT fails us, IAFF likes NREMT because it let's them send their FF's to medic mills in other states. Of course, if NR was gone, there'd just be more medic mills locally. In my state, you can recert as an EMT with only 36 CE hours and Paramedic with only 50. NR requires 72 out of everyone. Further, the standard for classes to meet national (and thus NREMT) standards are different than the states. In my state, you could teach a state EMT class with less than 100 contact hours. Nationally, the new standard will be nearly 200 hours with more subject matter required to be covered. There are standards, albeit low. The national standards are almost universally higher than state standards.

1. You can't keep your story straight. That's not what you just said. 2. The B key is nowhere near the R key 3. There are standards in EMS. Maybe you should learn about them.

It's not just a big scam. We make our people keep NR because NR has a higher CE standard than the state. I guess I'm not surprised when you say that the fire guys are the ones dumping NR.

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh now I understand his statement

How is the "new" Paramedic an I-99???????????????????? Also, states can ignore the NREMT and do what they want at the state level.

Wondrous. Infinitely more comfortable for the patient during long and bumpy lower/carry/wheelout. Also, it insulates!!! Any SAR team that isn't using these is living in the dark ages.