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If someone spoke to me that way you can bet I would sure as hell take it personally. The pot calling the kettle black as far as unprofessionalism, though on different levels. How professional is name calling? Both are examples. Just pointing out the where's and why's of my statement. As far as Ohio "closing the gap of care", don't get me wrong. I don't exactly endorse it, just trying to figure out the reasoning behind it. It does carry great potential to go very badly for the EMT-I.

And it's still the best one there is IMO. Covers more listings than any other I have found. For anywhere.

After completing the school, you can take the NR 3 times. If all 3 are failures, you have to take a refresher course at whatever level you tested for and you make have another 3 attempts. Past that I believe you must attend the entire original program. Don't feel bad. I failed the NR medic exam twice already myself. You might be a horrible test taker like me.

There is a link on www.emtcity.com http://www.emtcity.com/phpBB2/emsjobs.php?...&l=&s=0

How is she NOT going to take that personally? She wasn't the intoxicated one I spoke of earlier. I was done arguing the paid vs. volunteer thing and just had examples to support why I don't think volunteer agencies help in professionalism. I am still waiting for some others to give some good examples where volunteer agencies DO promote professionalism. SSG G-Man was one on my count. Yes, there are a many a paid EMS person who does not promote professionalism. Myself, I have never said otherwise. I agree with points like attitude,, appearance, knowledge and bedside manner being big point where one can make or break whether one is viewed as a professional. I think Ohio in their protocols have attempted to close the gap of care with the implementation of true I-99 protocols. I can't say I agree with it (not because of pajamas or flip flops etc), but with the current education requirements. I think that it may be tempting disaster with only 130 hours of training/education, while current paramedic requirements are in the 800 something hours. Ironically, one of the things I would have liked to see more during school was more time spent of the why and cause/effect than just the how. Unfortunately or fortunately depending on your views, this is not the protocols of all agencies. Most privates and large departments do NOT adhere to these protocols because someone in their chain of command or medical control shares a view like mine where they don't feel enough was taught to I's to have them doing certain things. The ones that simply adopt the state protocols are the ones who have lazy leaders, just don't care, or don't know any better. My view only. I would like to see the education for all levels go up. Paramedic level should be an associates(2 year), make the Intermediate require the length of the current paramedic and the basic cover 130 hours. Use that "extra" time to go more in depth on the cause and effect of illnesses/injuries and the why of treatments. Then discard all the state certifications and National Registry the norm no matter where you are. (OK, that one comes partly from my dealing with the reciprocity issue right now :? ) If I am not mistaken, that was the intent of it's creation anyway. I know that here in Ohio, you take the registry test to get whatever card, but then you receive a state card and never have to do anything with registry again, which in my mind is just laziness.

I agree with the sober statement. The ER was informed and I believe my partner made a call reporting it. She no longer worked there when I left. We "barked" the ER staff for allowing her to run around, bloody and barefoot in thier ER as well.

My only question if a question at all. When something is being reviewed to be changed it's it pretty much up to those who want to change it to show reason for the change? Sounds like the ball is in his court. Perhaps it's he who needs to prove changing it will better the results.

1) Assisted as in was in the back of the ambulance fucntioning as a basic setting up IV's, doing bandaging to the cuts (apparently from glass) etc. 2) Yes, responding to calls in PJ's from home to station and then getting in the ambulance and responding to the house, building, whatever in pajamas. I have more examples like this than I can count. As I said earlier in a discussion about this topic with a friend offline, I don't have to have volunteered to know and I have heard no one tell me how a volunteer service does anything to help the image of professionalism we are talking about. They almost always resort to the "if there were no volunteers..." or the "It's all they have..." reasonings to why they exist.

It has become so hard to find work in OH that I am looking for reciprocity and moving to another state. I think that answers the question, at least around here. Edit: Rid, also come disguised as Subway employees, Burger King employees....

#1 While working for a paid private service withh 911 contracts we were at the local hospital where we saw one of our employees there. Drunk, barefoot and covered in blood, she was present at a barfight and "assisted" her volunteer crew members who responded. She rode along in the back of the ambulance to the hospital. Helpful or harmful to professionalism? #2 The volunteers around me sometimes respond to thier station for calls in pajamas, flip flops and other assortment of clothing similar. Helpful or harmful to professionalism? #3 While working for the same paid private service as earlier, a call went out (during the day on a weekend) to a surrounding volly EMS agency (countywide dispatch) for an elderly female fallen, no one responded. Not 10 minutes late another call went out for the same department, this time for a Code 4 (which is MVA with injuries here, they use Ohio police 10-codes...I won't get into that) and you would have thought it was another 9-11 with all the people responding. Helpful or harmful to prfessionalism? I use these examples not to start anything, but to give people an idea of why I think the way I do about volunteers. In my eyes, those systems are harmful, unsafe for all involved, and cost lives... period. It doesn't meet any form of a definition for professionalism. Not even close. Mind you this is in some surrounding areas (<10-15 miles) of a city of about 50-60 thousand with a full paid FD and full-time EMS. We are all going to have different opinions based on differnt experiences in different places. The fact remains are people paying dearly for some of our ignorance. Edit: I feel I need to add that this is not intended to be indicitive of all volunteers.

First I read it as, for 13 cents a day one rig (to continue the implied it seems, 26 cents a day get 2 rigs, 39 cents a day...) basically meaning it really would be all that hard or as expensive as the people who say it would cost too much. Maybe one rig couldn't do it, but it isn't as far fetched to think there couldn't be enough provided. Second, yeah, both parties back are hurt, yeah both have bad memories, but only one was paid to do it and can afford therapy from doing it, etc, etc. Third...eh...I read only an example of how a system can be affordable. -5 for not being able to read between the lines.

:?: :?: If any of it was incorrect, by all means... Asysin2leads wrote:"If you don't want to be a paramedic and do all you possibly can to treat the sick and injured, why exactly did you get into EMS? I mean, if you have true desire to help others by providing prehospital emergency care, wouldn't you want to be able to do all you possibly could for your patient?" I can't count how many times (and recently) I Have heard you say you got into EMS to help people. I was simply wondering the same thing. A very valid question as well.

When I was in CA I had every cop from Orange County Sheriff to Military Police and Oceanside clear intersections. Back in Ohio, I don't even think they yield. :? If units are responding from behind me, I always edged to the right alittle and turned lifghts on. If someone decided to creep forward, yip the siren(didn't happen often). Any other direction and especially in heavy traffic, I stay quiet and wave.

Thanks Michael, I enjoyed reading the topic and didn't know where to start until I saw it was locked. Nobody will pay to have fire or ems if people do it for free. That's pretty much the bottom line. John Q doesn't see it as important enough. And in my opinion from what I have witnessed, volunteer services give EMS (and fire if it applies, though less harmful) a bad name. I worked in an area with volunteers and now live in one. At times a call will come in and go unaanswered for 20-25 minutes. Pardon me, but WTF is that? BS I say. The child having siezures at 1100 am doesn't get any help because the vollies are at thier REAL jobs. The "it's all they have" arguement has lost it's worthiness with me. It can be better, but volunteers DON'T WANT IT TO BE, cause they like getting to have woo woos and whirlygigs on thier POVs and play Johnny Gage, Ricky Rescue, whatever you want to call it. Therefore, I say volunteers in general are harmful to the professionalism we are trying to portray. Now some might frown or ask, why don't I volunteer? Since I am here and all. Easy, PAY ME, and I'll do it round the clock. To hit the "make everyone a medic" I can't say I disagree with it, but I don't think it has anything to do with being professional. I know plenty of Basics and Intermediates that are just as or more professional than alot of Paramedics. As far as not wanting the extra responsibility (here comes the fun part which will continue beyond all of yuor ears and eyes), then why an EMT-I? In the volunteer system, that has made you take on that responsibility. Where you are required to know first line cardiac medications and pain management to include medications among other things. Now you bear some of the same responsibilities without the depth of education.

I'm not sure if all of those address the question at hand, but I love it!! :!: