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Militant Separatists or Religious Fantics?

Lone Star


I don't know which aspect of this news stroy scares me more; the militant separatist mentality, or the religious aspect that they seem intent on ramming down our throat.

I realize and recognize the right to free speech. I respect the right to assemble for religious or political reasons. I accept the fact that there are views other than my own.

It's groups like this that really worry me though. It seems that the only thing these people had on their minds is to eliminate as many 'evil law enforcement officers' as they possibly can.

Law enforcement officers shouldn't be viewed as 'the enemy', but rather as icons of a dangerous job enforcing the laws of a civil society, so that we might live in peace.

How many times hae we seen this type of behavior in other religions comdemned as terrorism, both at home and abroad? And yet there are some that would try to defend this type of behavior as nothing more than exercising a 'constitutionally protected right'.

Yes, the first amendment to the constitution guarantees the right to right to peaceably assemble. Plotting terroristic activities is NOT 'peaceable' nor is it protected.

If you don't like what the government is doing, then use the freedom to peaceably assemble and your power of the ballot to change things; become an activist for change, not to see how many innocent men and women who have stood up to become law enforcement officers you can take out.

I don't need to remind you, dear readers, that law enforcement is a dangerous profession; and the men and women that have answered the call to protect you (to the best of their ability) are not the 'enemy' here.

There's been a h uge jump of 'cop haters' lately; and for some, they don't even have a good reason to dislike law enforcement. Others are 'cop haters' because they got caught breaking the law and sent to jail. For you, I say "You should have kept your nose clean and played by the rules!". I have no sympathy for those that willingly broke the law, knowing that they were probably going to get caught. They knew the consequences of their actions, but decided to take the risk anyway. That doesn't make law enforcement officers 'the enemy', but it means they ARE doing what we count on them to do.

Militia members wanted to attack cops, feds say

Eight arrested, one on the run; they allegedly plotted to attack funeral

ADRIAN, Mich. - Nine suspects tied to a Christian militia in the Midwest were charged Monday with conspiring to kill a police officer, then attack the funeral in the hopes of killing more law enforcement people, federal prosecutors said.

Members of the group called Hutaree are charged in the case, including its leader, David Brian Stone. The suspects included six people from Michigan, two from Ohio and one from Indiana, officials said.

Once other officers gathered for the slain officer's funeral, the group planned to detonate homemade bombs with projectiles, killing more, the newly unsealed court papers revealed.

The charges follow FBI raids over the weekend on locations in Michigan, Ohio, and Indiana.

The raids were prompted by Hutaree plans to stage "a covert reconnaissance operation for April which had the potential of placing an unsuspecting member of the public at risk," said Barbara McQuade, the U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District of Michigan.

According to investigators, the Hutaree view local, state, and federal law enforcement personnel as a "brotherhood" and an enemy, and planned to attack them as part of an armed struggle against the U.S. government.

"It is believed by the Hutaree that this engagement would then serve as a catalyst for a more widespread uprising against the government," court documents said.

Eight suspects have been arrested by the FBI, and one more is being sought. Seven suspects appeared briefly in court in Detroit on Monday and were ordered held without bond until a hearing on Wednesday.

Prosecutors said Stone, the militia leader, downloaded information about how to build explosive devices from the Internet and e-mailed diagrams of them to someone he believed was capable of making them, NBC reported.

He then directed his son and others to begin gathering the needed materials. Stone was charged, along with his wife and two sons. One son, Joshua Stone, remained a fugitive.

The Detroit News quoted Donna Stone, the ex-wife of Stone, as saying his growing radicalism was a factor in their divorce three years ago.

"You pray as a family, you stay together as a family," the News report Stone as saying. "When he got carried away, when he went from handguns to big guns, it's like, now I'm done."

The group's Web site says Hutaree means "Christian warrior."

'Extremist fringe'

Andrew Arena, head of the FBI's field office in Detroit, said the case "is an example of radical and extremist fringe groups which can be found throughout our society. The FBI takes such extremist groups seriously, especially those who would target innocent citizens and the law enforcement officers who protect the citizens of the United States."

FBI spokesman Scott Wilson said agents arrested two people Saturday after raids in two towns in Ohio. A third arrest was made in northeast Illinois on Sunday, a day after a raid took place just over the border in northwest Indiana.

Michael Lackomar, a spokesman for the Southeast Michigan Volunteer Militia, said one of his team leaders got a frantic phone call Saturday evening from members of Hutaree, who said their property in southwest Michigan was being raided by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

"They said they were under attack by the ATF and wanted a place to hide," Lackomar said. "My team leader said, 'no thanks.'"

The team leader was cooperating with the FBI, Lackomar said. He said SMVM wasn't affiliated with Hutaree, which states on its Web site to be "prepared to defend all those who belong to Christ and save those who aren't."

"We believe that one day, as prophecy says, there will be an Anti-Christ. All Christians must know this and prepare, just as Christ commanded," the group's Web site said. "Jesus wanted us to be ready to defend ourselves using the sword and stay alive using equipment."

Lackomar said none of the raids focused on his group, which is affiliated with the Michigan Militia, a larger militia umbrella group. Lackomar said about eight to 10 members of Hutaree trained with SMVM twice in the past three years. SMVM holds monthly training sessions focusing on survival training and shooting practice, Lackomar said.


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"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Devils advocate... How were they not assembling peacefully? They, to my knowledge, didn't harm or attack anyone?

peace·ful   /ˈpisfəl/


1.characterized by peace; free from war, strife, commotion, violence, or disorder:

Is planning violence considered violence?

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First off, if they were such a 'peaceful group', why did the ATF and FBI 'raid' them?

Keep in mind that not only did they plan this attack on law enforcement, but they were gathering the materials needed to carry it out. In addition, these 'survival weekend drills' were conducted with military arms (according to videos). Kind of negates the whole 'peaceful' aspect, doesn't it?

There was also no regard for the safety of the general public that would be attending the funeral. Even if they were following the 'Rules of Engagement', this would have been a 'no strike zone' because of the risk of injuring/killing innocent noncombatants.

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Hey folks beleive it or not, I live 30 minutes away from these guys. they just showed up on the radar one day. No one in my city even heard of these guys until they were arested. Went to school with Andy the FBI guy in charge. All in all they were planning to kill the police then set off IED's during the funeral. Free spech has nothing to do with it. they tried to buy explosives abd learn how to make bombs. Buch of nuts end of story.

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