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Ambulance Crash - Austin, Texas

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http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/sha...g_into_amb.html

EMS officials looking into ambulance crash with toll booth

By Tony Plohetski | Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 02:36 PM

Austin-Travis County Emergency Medical Services officials said today they are awaiting damages estimates on an ambulance that crashed last week into the barrier of a Texas 45 North toll booth.

The accident Friday near the intersection of Texas 130 caused significant damage to the unit, which was not carrying a patient at the time. No one was injured.

The barrier “kind of peeled it open like a can,” said James Shamard, assistant chief of EMS operations. “It is pretty serious damage.”

Shamard said paramedics, whose names he did not immediately know, had responded to a call that did not involve taking a patient to the hospital. Upon approaching the toll booth, the right passenger corner of the ambulance crashed into a barrier made of concrete and metal, he said.

Shamard said he did not know what caused the crash but that the toll lanes are wide enough for ambulances.

Officials said the crash was the most significant involving an EMS unit in a year to 18 months.

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Just how the hell can you impact a Toll booth at this speed ?

Shamard said paramedics, whose names he did not immediately know, had responded to a call that did not involve taking a patient to the hospital.

Sharmard was heard to say under his breath, long term employment is highly unlikely when I do find out who was driving ... LOL>

Well unless this was a mechanical failure (statistically very unlikely)

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Just how the hell can you impact a Toll booth at this speed ?

I was going to ask the same question. As much praise as I have for Austin/Travis EMS, there still seems to be a least 1 dumbass working there.

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Big vehicle, sun in drivers eyes....Who knows? Accidents happen, at least no one was hurt.

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Um, .... hell even with ME driving the freaking thing I could see a mile away, ME!!! so I dno HTF they managed that.

Dispatch er, we'll be out for a while on a, ahhhh howinthefuckdidwemanagetodothat? job :lol:

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Big vehicle, sun in drivers eyes....Who knows? Accidents happen, at least no one was hurt.
True. But hitting a toll booth? Not an accident. I drove a much bigger vehicle, with the sun in my eyes and never hit anything. Ever take a semi onto the GW bridge? THAT, is a narrow toll lane!
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Well, if that's the most significant crash in 18 months, gotta say, they are doing pretty well. Probably best they didn't have a patient, the speed/impact probably would have been a lot worse.

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When I am driving and can't see well due to sun being in my eyes... I generally slow down...

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Shit happens - and it's going to happen to somebody - looks like it was their turn...

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There is a combination of things that did go wrong...

Wrong lane in the booth. the lugs of the ambulance only clear that particular lane by 9 inches. which means even if the operator cleared that nine inches,4.5 inches on each side, the mirrors would not have cleared the cameras that are at the curbs of the booths. The toll plazas have wide load lane for semis fire apparatus etc. and this was not it...

Inexperience, while I will not make any comments on the operator of the vehicle I will say, that a lack of operational expertise involving our medium duty ambulances was probably a factor. including bad fender judgement.

Speed, After looking up some things speed did come in to play though I will not comment on the extent.

Rumors going around is that the total expense for this incident could total up to about 350-400K. This is a bad wreck but we have had several in the past year. I think that is fueling the arguement from city management to get us out of medium duties to F350s or F450s. But I will not comment on that either :thumbsdown:

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extensive damage to the ambulance... it had to be going at a high rate of speed.

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...our medium duty ambulances...

You call that a medium sized ambulance? God by our standard that thing is a freaking monstrosity, I'd hate to see a "big" ambulance! :lol:

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You call that a medium sized ambulance? God by our standard that thing is a freaking monstrosity, I'd hate to see a "big" ambulance! :lol:

The Chassis is Medium Duty, thus the term. Heavby duty would be in the range of the 18 wheelers. Light duty are the E150-450 chassis Dont know where the 550 chassis falls.

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Try that one for size Kiwi.........

The Ford 550's are a much more feasible platform.

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Hey, Niftymedi911, that Mount Horeb Rescue vehicle that you posted? Is that considered a medium or heavy rescue?

I'd say it's the same height and width of the FDNY Rescue companies, but a few feet shorter. FDNY Rescue Companies usually don't transfer patients, they leave that to me and mine in the FDNY EMS Command (Rescue, Hazmat, and a few other specialty units are a part of the FDNY Special Operations Command).

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Try that one for size Kiwi.........

The Ford 550's are a much more feasible platform.

Why am I not surprised they're a volunteer BLS only service? Why the frack do you need a rig that big for BLS?! Maybe spend that money on some ALS coverage or even two reasonably sized ambulances? And look at that cab; what exactly do you need 4 basics on a crew for? This VFD has as many apparatus (not counting EMS) than the paid professional department in my city of 80 000 people. Waste of tax payer money, big time.

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Why am I not surprised they're a volunteer BLS only service? Why the frack do you need a rig that big for BLS?! Maybe spend that money on some ALS coverage or even two reasonably sized ambulances? And look at that cab; what exactly do you need 4 basics on a crew for? This VFD has as many apparatus (not counting EMS) than the paid professional department in my city of 80 000 people. Waste of tax payer money, big time.

It's also a rescue vehicle that will respond to accidents and provide extrication, along with everything else a rescue company will perform. Having ambulance written on it, only means there are EMT's on board. You see fire engines with the same thing.

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Check out their site. They cover an area of 17000 people that's mostly rural. They have the following apparatus:

- 3 Pumpers

- 1 Rescue Squad

- 1 Ladder

- 2 SUV's

- 1 Crown Vic

- 1 Brush truck

AND the two gigantic Ambulances

Take a close look at the compartments on those ambulances too, they're not carrying a tonne of equipment in there. I stand-by by big frigging waste of tax payer money comment.

In comparison, the town of Cobourg in the county I've been riding in has 18 200 people. They have a paid department with volunteers (who are paid for weekly training and all calls) as back-up. (EMS provided by County Third Service; 1x24hr ALS and 1x12hr ALS Ambulance just for Cobourg)

Their apparatus includes

- 2 pumpers

- 1 mini-pumper/light rescue

- 1 Ladder

- 2 SUV's

City of Peterborough (where I live) 74 800 people has an entirely paid department at three main stations and a back-up airport station. (EMS provided by County with 5 24hr ALS Ambulances and 1 12hr ALS Ambulance within the city)

Their FD apparatus includes

- 4 pumpers

- 1 ladder

- 3 SUV's

- 1 Brush truck

- 1 Water rescue trailer

- 1 Special Ops (HAZMAT, trench, confined space) trailer

- 2 public education and inspection vehicles

- 1 crash tender (reserve) at the airport

Maybe our area's drastically underserved and I don't realize it, but I look at this VFD and I see a tonne of wasted money in all the wrong areas.

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It's also a rescue vehicle that will respond to accidents and provide extrication, along with everything else a rescue company will perform. Having ambulance written on it, only means there are EMT's on board. You see fire engines with the same thing.

No wonder the public is so confused.

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I stand-by by big frigging waste of tax payer money comment.

If the tax payers fund it.. Not all areas are lucky to be tax payer funded. Not that I agree with the massive vehicles. Even their fire apparatus, I never compare one area to another, because I don't know what the needs are for the area they cover. Clearly, they have big trucks. But look at them, and then look at the specs. Huge ass trucks, not really that much water. 1,000; 2,000gal tanks on monstrous trucks. Our tanker is smaller than their largest engine, and it carries more water. My guess is, they turned a heavy rescue into an ambulance.

The decorations. That's a waste of money.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16xcxxuB-wg

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I feel fairly confident the taxpayers paid for these pieces of apparatus. Like some other FD's, equipment you don't need is easily obtained through the FireFighter's Assistance Grant. That means, you and I paid for these.

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and how long has the drive been there, should know the width.

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Having ambulance written on it, only means there are EMT's on board. You see fire engines with the same thing.

You do? I have never seen any emergency vehicle with "Ambulance" on the side that didn't transport. I also have never seen any engine or ladder-truck company, even in areas where the Fire Fighters were all cross-trained as EMTs, to say "Ambulance", instead of "EMT".

Even the NYPD's Armored Personnel Carriers, which have "Ambulance" written on the side, can transport patients (usually used to rescue people who are shot, from out of the area of the field of fire). Side note on that, the APVs don't have gun ports or external weapons, but I have been led to believe they do have water cannon mountings.

As to not be insulting to anyone, I must conclude that it might be a local thing to have "Ambulance" written on the side of an engine company, because the vehicle has EMTs on board.

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